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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: Satisfy] * 1
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maybe they felt like they were in danger so they had to get there babys out sooner

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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: metalshroom]
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metalshroom said:
Yes it was which is the reason I am ready to clone and scrape this


Ah. And there were no other environmental changes for this grow?  Any that you can think of?

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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: Satisfy]
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I let it get pretty cold in there at night i guess like around 60 but I now have a space heater in there for night time


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: Satisfy]
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Ok well after a little researching, I think it has been a combination of the low temps at night, and a dry substrate. I found some good stuff from RR (like always) and i hydrated my tubs with a few cups of water. They were starting to feel very light and having trouble holding humidty. Also I did crack the substrate in 3 of them, because of me  moving them around much. So I am sure that helped the drying out

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10427320#10427320


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Edited by metalshroom (08/29/09 01:38 PM)

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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: metalshroom]
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see guy, now you have knowledge... which is worth more than any shroom, and the purpose of eating them...

see now yer gonna rock it. :goodluck:


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: metalshroom]
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Hey dude I just read your whole thread and I can help you.
First, don't throw anything out.
Second, your mycellium and mushrooms look healthy. Theyre growing in random directions because of the moving light.
Third, if four different monotubs inoculated with random multispore genetics are all in the same conditions and all growing small mushrooms, I'd say the conditions are more likely the cause than the genetics.
Fourth, find a way to stabilize your temperatures at night so that they don't drop below 70 at any point.
Fifth, and this should have been first, you need to be honest with yourself about everything if you want to be successful and especially if you want to stay free. If your grow doesnt work, its your fault, not the mushrooms. If you place healthy mycellium in these conditions it will make mushrooms
Primordia Formation:
Relative Humidity: 95-100%
Air Temperature: 74-78 deg. F.
Duration: 6-10 days.
CO2: less than 5000 ppm.
Fresh Air Exchanges: 1-3 per hour.
Light: Diffuse natural or exposure for 12-16 hours/day of grow-lux type fluorescent light high in blue spectra at the 480 nanometer wavelength.

Cropping:
Relative Humidity: 85-92%.
Air Temperature: 74-78 deg. F.
CO2: less than 5000 ppm.
Fresh Air Exchanges: 1-3 per hour.
Flushing Pattern: Every 5-8 days.
Harvest Stage: When the cap becomes convex and soon after teh partial veil ruptures.
Light: Indirect natural or same as above.

What I mean when I say being honest with yourself is if your temperatures are dropping into the 60's your conditions aren't "optimal", and if you have four monotubs all with different multispore spawn its not the genetics if they all show the same failure. Blaming your failure on things you havent experienced and dont understand is the road to the next failure.
Sixth, never decrease your fresh air exchange, you want constant fresh air exchange. A tub in a clean room that is sealed will contaminate from the stale air before a tub with constant air exchange in a dirty room. I fruited tubs in a house full of garbage. I had wood floors in my room that I kept clean, sprayed disenfectant frrequently, and had air exchange going 24/7 by fans and the window. I also manually opened the tubs and fanned them multiple times a day. Whenever you open the tub you release humidity so you need to mist but not directly at it, do it in an arc so it falls on it.
Seventh, go to a petstore and get a thermometer and hygrometer meant to be used in lizard tanks. People say the analog dial ones are the best but I used electronic ones. This will let you actually know what the conditions are in the tubs instead of just guessing, allow you to fine tune your conditions and develop an understanding of what is actually going on. You cant guess or measure humidity with your eyes. The temperature inside the tubs is not the temperature it says on your thermostat or the temperature in your room. Get your tubs internal temp to 76 and your humidity to 90-99 with constant fresh air exchange and your tubs will explode with fruits.
Eigth, you say your substrate is dry? When you spawned it was your substrate at field capacity? Could you pick it up without it dripping but squeeze it and produce water? Your substrate should only be dry if it was dry when you spawned it or if youve left it right infront of a high powered fan and lost all the humidity. If that was the casee your caps would be cracked which they are not in your pics. I know you said you loosened the polyfill but make sure there really is room, make the polyfil less if you need to, you need air exchange.
Ninth, I havent grown PE before but their caps are irregular, if that is PE perhaps they look like theyre mature early but theyre still growing. Someone whos grown PE can tell you.

My diagnosis:
-All the tubs in the pictures I see are healthy and uncontaminated
-Your conditions, namely temperature and probably fresh air exchange are not ideal, this is why your healthy uncontaminated substrate is not producing like it should
-Get a thermometer and hygrometer. Keep the air in your tubs at 76 degrees and 90-99% relative humidity constantly. Have them receiving constant air exchange via fan while keeping this humidity (Dont turn the fan on high and put it right up to the filter or itll blast the humidity out and crack your caps). A couple times a day open each tub and manually fan it with its lid, then give it a quick mist and close it.


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Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: P2K1]
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I appreciate the help everyone, I was very frustrated this morning but I am cool now. I realize its my fault not the myc haha. I think my tubs dried out by me having a ceiling fan on, a box fan on, and the ac pumping into the room at night. So there was a lot of air movement. I am now just using the ceiling fan which still gives a very good amount of air movement. Hopefully in the morning I will see some thirsty mushrooms drinkin up. 

One question tho, can i clone one of these good looking babys with the veil open? or have the spores already dropped?


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: metalshroom]
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Read my post if you want mushrooms.

Buy a hygrometer you can place inside a tub. This will tell you the humidity. This is the ONLY way to know the humidity. This is something you NEED to know, especially without experience.
You need fresh air exchange. Fresh air exchange makes your mushrooms happy healthy and big and keeps contams from ever getting a chance. If you have stagnant air youre begging for contams. I grew in a house full of garbage with no contaminated tubs.
You need to get a hygrometer, not assume that the humidity is low based on another arbitrary assumption and cut fresh air exchange while watering your shrooms. Tomorrow youll be wondering why your pins are aborting after getting drowned.


Again
GET A HYGROMETER. This will let you have maximum fresh air exchange (GOOD) while actually knowing what the humidity is (NEEDED) and allowing you to keep it above 90%
GET A THERMOMETER You need to know the temp inside your tub. Make it 76 and keep it constant. You need to find somewhere with a constant temp. Using a space heater is a fire hazard, possible contam risk and anything but uniform temp control

If follow my advice all you need to do is leave a light and a fan on until harvest. Youll know the temps and humidity are right and all you need to do is ensure they get fresh air exchange but not so much that the humdity is lost (which is easy with a hygrometer)

Read what Ive written if you want to b successful


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Stay free
:brucelee:
Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
<img src="https://files.shroomery.org/smileys/curbyourenthusiam.gif" alt=":curbyourenthusiam:" title=":curbyourenthusiam:"/>

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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: P2K1]
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Your tub is not dry. If it didnt have water it wouldnt have colonized. If its water had evaporated, your caps would have cracked in the dry environment. This is not the case in your pics at all.


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:brucelee:
Glenners said:
Epic win P2K1 !
AfroDude said:
your work is not a waste!
Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
<img src="https://files.shroomery.org/smileys/curbyourenthusiam.gif" alt=":curbyourenthusiam:" title=":curbyourenthusiam:"/>

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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: P2K1]
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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
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I'm willing to bet a thin casing layer will kick those into overdrive big time. Perhaps try it in the tub that has nothing showing yet.


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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I never case and always get results like that, few but large mushies, I am going to start casing from now on though


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: widowmaker487]
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OP, i have monotubs just like yours.  i learned a huge lesson the first time through:  humidity is everything!  (plus fae, temp, blah blah)  ... when i started monotubing it up, i noticed a great deal of pins (at first), and of course, i was overjoyed. theyd even get to the point of little mushies, then theyd stop growing.  i couldnt figure it out, but then i noticed the lids i was using sucked for keeping in humidity! (they look just like yours)  what i did was.. (and i got this idea from a tek) i went out and got "press and seal".. now to be fair i am just now starting down this path, but the basic idea is just keep the Rh up!!  from what ive noticed, mushies absolutely need a proper amount of Rh to develop in.  i mean, of course one needs fae, an adequate temp, and a decent amount of light, but if you cut off the humidity the mushies wont do squat for you.  just my 2 cents, and basically im just repeating what everyone has been saying.  its just i saw those particular tubs, and was having the same problem you are, so i thought id chime in.  GL  and stay vigil damnit :thumbup:

p.s. another testament to how important Rh is:  in a couple of my monos i didnt cut the trash bag in the beginning, so it was draped over the colonizing myc (probably not a good idea in the long run).  i wait a good 2-3 weeks, i come back, and it was like pickin carrots from the garden. i had 3 bins where it was like opening a present, i peeled back the wrapping (trash bag) and bam, there were huge mushies poking out, and just waiting to get picked.

just to make sure this post has been accurate, i just checked my monos and they all are holding >95% Rh with the press and seal.  its good shit... but its too early to see how my new regiment of high Rh and press and seal will do me, before i was just letting the trash bag hold Rh. it worked, but that's all over now.  after all, fae and light are important too :P

sorry for the long post

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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: sage1o1]
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Yeah i noticed when i first got my tubs the lids fit really loose, and come off easily. I have a hydrometer reading 80% in my tubs this morning so I am off to the store to get some press and seal. Also i have some pictures of cracked caps/stems to identify that it was dehydration of substrate. The substrates drank up probably 2 glasses of water Pics will be up soon


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: metalshroom]
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I'm tellin' ya. Thin casing layer! Even straight verm that's dampened, about 1/4 inch... If you have verm/peat then use that in a 50/50 combination. Just go thin, 3/8" max. I bet it works.


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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Alrighty well after using the press and seal and adjusting the FAE, I have rasied the humidity from 70-75% to 95%. Should i harvest the ones with the veil break or let them go a little?




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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: metalshroom]
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metalshroom said:
Well i cant figure out where i fucked up. Doesn't make any sense to me when all my conditions are optimal and they're just not growing. I dont want to waste the money and time again just to get nothing for a reason i cant figure out. Everything was going 100% in-till this. I am thinking taking a clone and casing next time but im not sure i really want to try again just to see the same results. I had a lot riding on this grow and got fucked


you are being very impatient friend, there is no failure until you stop trying

nothing is a waste if you learn from it


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: explosiveoxygen]
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If I were you, I'd harvest all those pins, consider this flush a loss, dunk the entire substrate (look up bulk sub dunk if you don't know how), and hope for the best.  I can't wait to see what the second flush looks like, whatever you decide to do.  I'm sure it'll be great.  :grin::mushroom2:

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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: libertaire]
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Ok well i harvested a good amount from the two good tubs and have over 200 wet gs drying right now. I left a lot, a bunch still had the veil attached so I left all of them.


I also made two lcs and tried my first attempt at cloning with this bad boy


The substrate is very moist now and humidity is holding steady at 95% so it should be a good 2nd flush


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Re: Penis Envy Monotubs! [Re: metalshroom]
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yeah, just wait for the 2nd flush.
be patient for the 2nd flush


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