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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: XUL]
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Question for you XUL.

At the end of Obama's term, he put into place environmental regulations prohibiting mining companies from dumping toxic waste into rivers and streams, which lead to larger bodies of water like lakes which are often used as sources for public drinking water.

One of the first things Trump did when he got in office, via executive order, was to repeal that regulation, making it legal again for mining companies to dump toxic waste into bodies of water.

How specificially does this make America great again?

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Buffy] * 3
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Mining companys, power plants and their share holders get to make tons more money, duh.

As an American I find it embarrassing that this lying, cheating, stealing buffoon was elected.
I can't wait until the  feds finish up their case against him and his crooked cronies so that
the State of New York can drop their bomb on him for his years of fraud, money laundering, bribery and tax evasion.

That pardon shit doesn't work for state crimes.

:waits: 4 :courtjudge: . . . :peace:


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Buffy]
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Is this the rule for a 100 foot buffer and a requirement to restore streams to previous conditions after working nearby?


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TRUMP 2020

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Buffy]
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Buffy said:
Donald Trump has been an absolute disaster in every aspect of government law and policy. This is a guy that in the 21st century has brought the KKK and white nationalists to the forefront of political thought among conservatives in America.




Actually it was Obama and the MSM that brought the cultural backlash "to the forefront of political thought", you can only piss on people for so long before there's a response, Trump didn't create it.

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: LightningT]
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I don't think Donald Trump will get re-elected, unless something wild happens between now and 2020....


Okay, Donald Trump might have a chance of getting re-elected.  :jolly:



In all seriousness, I think the guy's policies are deleterious for the country.  Although I do hope he does not get re-elected, I simultaneously do not think he will be impeached.


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Asclepius] * 1
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Trump will be re elected unless dems run a candidate who can appeal to rust belt states and actually runs a decent campaign there.

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said:
Mining companys, power plants and their share holders get to make tons more money, duh.

As an American I find it embarrassing that this lying, cheating, stealing buffoon was elected.
I can't wait until the  feds finish up their case against him and his crooked cronies so that
the State of New York can drop their bomb on him for his years of fraud, money laundering, bribery and tax evasion.

That pardon shit doesn't work for state crimes.

:waits: 4 :courtjudge: . . . :peace:



Can you substantiate those claims?

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
Is this the rule for a 100 foot buffer and a requirement to restore streams to previous conditions after working nearby?



That's the one. Here's all the provisions.


Quote:
Following the law it implemented, the Stream Protection Rule aimed to create "balance between environmental protection and the nation's need for coal as a source of energy."[10] To achieve this, the rule included improvements in the protection of water supplies, water quality, streams, fish and other wildlife, and other environmental issues that are harmed by surface coal mining; furthermore, the rule provided mine operators with more regulations that would help avoid water pollution as well as water treatment costs.[10] In addition to these guidelines, the rule also included eradicating water pollution outside of permit areas, requiring thorough data collection for mining operations, protection and restoration of streams, updated guidelines for protecting endangered species, and long-term treatment of unintentional water contamination.[11] Expanding on permits, the rule also guarantees that science and technology are leveraged to analyze the potential harms of mining. It also ensured that lands that are harmed by mining operations can be restored to a condition comparable to its condition before the mining operation was introduced.[10] During the restoration process companies would be required to plant native trees and vegetation.[11] 30% of the rule's provisions were revisions and organizational changes that aimed to help "improve consistency, clarity, accuracy, and ease of use."[10]

The Stream Protection Rule covered waterways near surface coal mining operations in order to avoid pollution of rivers and streams, and also called for the restoration of streams that had been damaged by dangerous, heavy metals like mercury and arsenic.[12] The Rule would have protected an estimated 6,000 miles of streams over the next two decades,[13] by establishing that coal companies were in fact, not allowed to damage the "hydrologic balance" outside their permit area and enforcing a 100-foot buffer around streams to preserve native species.[12] The Interior Department had also said that the rule would protect 52,000 acres of forests as a default of keeping coal mining debris away from nearby waters.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_Protection_Rule


So how does eliminating this make America great again?

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Buffy]
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I feel that it does make America great again.

At this point I would refer to this quote:

Quote:
"balance between environmental protection and the nation's need for coal as a source of energy."



What hangs in the balance is jobs/energy v. environment.

At this point, it becomes a philosophical debate about where the thresholds should be. That is, what is the right amount of pollution? I feel that the rule was too harsh on energy companies. I think there is a way to solve the problem, but this is not it. I feel there may be better ways to solve the issue.


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: XUL] * 4
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Coal should be allowed to die a natural death, not propped up by backwards looking politicians


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: koods] * 3
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http://governorswindenergycoalition.org/gop-is-trying-to-prop-up-coal-but-plants-keep-closing/
Quote:
President Trump has pledged a coal revival, but America’s utilities aren’t listening.

U.S. power companies are set to unplug almost 12 gigawatts of coal-fired capacity this year, or about 4 percent of the American coal fleet, according to an E&E News review of federal figures. More than half of those retirements were announced after Trump beat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election...

... A Republican congressman unveiled a bill yesterday to provide coal plant operators a tax credit of up to 30 percent on their operations and maintenance expenses (E&E News PM, March 14).

“We need to make sure we have a stable electrical grid with low cost energy, and that’s what I’m trying to accomplish here,” said Rep. Larry Bucshon (R-Ind.), author of the “Electric Reliability and Fuel Security Act.”...






:cloud: . . . :peace:


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: vinsue]
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Coal is dead just like the French language, and military base closings of the 90's. People can't let obsolete shit go gracefully they have to legislate it into a miserable end

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: XUL] * 2
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XUL said:
I feel that it does make America great again.

At this point I would refer to this quote:

Quote:
"balance between environmental protection and the nation's need for coal as a source of energy."



What hangs in the balance is jobs/energy v. environment.

At this point, it becomes a philosophical debate about where the thresholds should be. That is, what is the right amount of pollution? I feel that the rule was too harsh on energy companies. I think there is a way to solve the problem, but this is not it. I feel there may be better ways to solve the issue.




XUL, would you be so kind as to upload a video of yourself drinking a glass of water contaminated with toxins? You could just spray some WD-40
XUL said:
I feel that it does make America great again.

At this point I would refer to this quote:

Quote:
"balance between environmental protection and the nation's need for coal as a source of energy."



What hangs in the balance is jobs/energy v. environment.

At this point, it becomes a philosophical debate about where the thresholds should be. That is, what is the right amount of pollution? I feel that the rule was too harsh on energy companies. I think there is a way to solve the problem, but this is not it. I feel there may be better ways to solve the issue.




You think it's "too harsh" and "unfair" to require companies to follow regulations to prevent shit like this from happening





and then clean it up if it does happen? That's "too harsh" and "unfair"?

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Buffy]
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Fake picture

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: vinsue]
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When it comes to American coal the "low hanging fruit" has already been extracted, and what's left will be more expensive to get out of the ground. Of course congressmen from coal country will try to provide economic incentives to keep digging, payed for by all taxpayers. This is very similar to the tobacco industry in the Southeast. It would make far more sense to spend the money training these workers for other jobs. Or do you want to send another generation of working class boys down to the mines?

    Plus burning coal is a filthy way to produce energy. When it comes to the effect on your lifespan you would be a million times better off living by a nuclear reactor.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Buffy said:
Donald Trump has been an absolute disaster in every aspect of government law and policy. This is a guy that in the 21st century has brought the KKK and white nationalists to the forefront of political thought among conservatives in America.




Actually it was Obama and the MSM that brought the cultural backlash "to the forefront of political thought", you can only piss on people for so long before there's a response, Trump didn't create it.



Neither did Obama.

Culture and politics are inseparable.


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Trump has not been bad or good to my life. This world is bigger than one idiot in the white house.  Luckily, we have checks and balances within our government to keep stuff from getting too crazy. On a different note, I do have to respect the fact that Trump is attempting to keep his campaign promises. This is why his base supporters will stick with him.  Do I think he will get re-elected? Well, that depends on his political opponents.


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Buffy]
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Buffy said:



and then clean it up if it does happen? That's "too harsh" and "unfair"?



Pretty colors!

The coal industry should market themselves on beutification of America.


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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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So the piece of shit POTUS calls his bff today

The punch line?

His talking points say IN ALL CAPS

DO NOT CONGRATULATE!!!!!!!

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Re: Has Donald Trump been good or bad so far for you and why? Will he get re-elected in 2020? [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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Thundermuscle75 said:
Buffy said:



and then clean it up if it does happen? That's "too harsh" and "unfair"?



Pretty colors!

The coal industry should market themselves on beutification of America.



Frame that shit

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