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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: zappaisgod]
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Talking out of my ass? Wtf are you talking about? Because I asked what class you would teach it in, I'm talking out of my ass? Are you drunk?:lol:

It's obvious you can't have a civil discussion.


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
:foreheadslap:

In your opinion she's a creationist??? :rofl:

How does your opinion come into play regarding her personal beliefs?


This may be the wrong subject to get nitpicky on, but I do think this is the sort of thing that you CAN have an opinion on.  She's smart enough to not come out straight with some of her more hardcore beliefs, but in her private statements that I've heard, she clearly comes from the school of thought where they believe in these sorts of things.

I'd be slightly reassured if she came out straight and said that she wouldn't let her religion affect her job, but that's not really the Republican way; and I wouldn't believe it anyways with the two-faced, misleading comments I've heard come from their campaign recently (supporting deregulation, being the friends of Mexicans).


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
She's smart enough to not come out straight with some of her more hardcore beliefs


I bet obama was smart enough too :smirk:





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but in her private statements that I've heard, she clearly comes from the school of thought where they believe in these sorts of things.


you've had discussions with Sarah Palin?

the foundation of Christianity is that of a creator, it's the foundation of many religions, it's what the teach, it's a part of the belief system, wow I'm amazed that a christian would be caught all up in this nonsense since everyone else knows everything sprang from nothing defying all the laws we know and hold true

it takes as much faith to believe sciences version of origin as it does to believe any other


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I'd be slightly reassured if she came out straight and said that she wouldn't let her religion affect her job



does your religion affect your job?


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm an atheist/agnostic, so I don't have a choice when it comes to separating business and religion


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Ferris]
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sure you do, you choose not to force your beliefs on someone else do you not? do you do it in your off time?


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I keep my beliefs to myself, unless specifically asked.  On the other hand, I am frequently bombarded by the christian religion, both at and not at work.  More to the point, the republicans tend to imply, if not legislate, in the direction of some sort of holy state, not to mention maintain a military whose sole purpose at the moment seems to be to kill Muslims and create a system whereby they will be more susceptible to the Christian ideology.  Dems are quite a bit more open, thank you; I don't care how much you want to clip Obama to death or not, them be the facts.


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Ferris]
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More to the point, the republicans tend to imply, if not legislate, in the direction of some sort of holy state...


Bullshit. Sheer and utter bullshit.

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... not to mention maintain a military whose sole purpose at the moment seems to be to kill Muslims and create a system whereby they will be more susceptible to the Christian ideology.


Even more bullshitty than the first part of the sentence, hard though it was to top.

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Dems are quite a bit more open, thank you; I don't care how much you want to clip Obama to death or not, them be the facts.


LOL. You speak of facts? You wouldn't recognize a fact if it came up and slapped you across your face.




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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: zappaisgod]
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Oh, I don't know, comparative religion maybe.


It already is taught in comparative religion classes constitutionally, so the whole point is moot.

Where it should not be allowed is in science classes as an alternative theory to evolution. If parents want to choose what their kids learn then they can home school them.

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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Ferris]
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Ferris said:
I am frequently bombarded by the christian religion, both at and not at work.


McCain, Obama and Biden are all christian and yet their
beliefs do not enter into this as being something to fear
I find it puzzling that the beliefs of origin tie qogether so
well, a belief that everything came from nothing, one group
says it was a big bang, another group says it was a word

why do you not fear Obama and his christian/muslim faith
is it really any different that Palins beliefs?

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  More to the point, the republicans... sole purpose at the moment seems to be to kill Muslims and create a system whereby they will be more susceptible to the Christian ideology.



it seems to be a Judeo-Christian thing, I believe you need a
review of history, then look the bastard offshoots like islam,
they tend to want to do the same


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Dems are quite a bit more open, thank you; I don't care how much you want to clip Obama to death or not, them be the facts.


them be personal opinions, christians been killing for
centuries over religion, jews been doing the same, islam is no
different and there's many other groups that do, just because
the president was a republican doesnt mean he was the
individual responsible for this war

I recall the vote being pretty well mixed so it appears the
democrats wanted some dead muslims too, even obama votes to
fund the murder of the muslims although he didnt vote for war
but he still voted yea for every expenditure on this war since
he took office... blood thirsty democrats, thems some facts

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&vote=00237&session=2


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: pinkfloydms]
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pinkfloydms said:
If you wanna talk about wright how about palins crazy ass preahcer or the fact that she is a creationist?



There's the ass exhaust, pal, right there stinking up the thread.

You also persist in avoiding an education on the facts and are quite content with nothing more than your Know-nothing opinion.  You don't know about Johnson and Pritzker?  Find out.  Or not.


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
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Oh, I don't know, comparative religion maybe.


It already is taught in comparative religion classes constitutionally, so the whole point is moot.


I'm not the one screaming that she's a creationist and wants it taught in school, am I?  It already is taught, as you point out, in some schools in that context and until one of the blowhole liars can point out how or when or where Palin tried to get it into a science curriculum this remains a scurrilous smear.
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Where it should not be allowed is in science classes as an alternative theory to evolution. If parents want to choose what their kids learn then they can home school them.


Then do they get to stop paying school taxes?  He who pays the piper calls the tune.  If a majority of the parents (consumers) want it in then in it must go.  They are fucking retards but that is none of my business.  Or yours.


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: zappaisgod]
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It is my business. Teaching creationism in school is a violation of the Establishment Clause and is unconstitutional. The Constitution is not subject to the whims of the mentally deficient masses.

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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Redstorm]
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Zappa does have a bit of a point here.  I've not seen a source which says explicitly that Palin advocated that parents be allowed to vote to include Creationism in a science curriculum.  That would be a truly damning stance (as science is concerned only with hypotheses testable by the reproducible collection of data).

And Phred, while Ferris certainly overstated his case, there is some truth amidst the bullshit.  The republican anti-abortion stance is almost entirely religiously motivated; McCain flipped on that issue so that he could gain access to the "religious right" block of voters and have a shot at winning; he knew he didn't stand a chance without them.  For Palin and the majority of the voters who constitute the religious right, it is a religious issue.  Also, under republican administrations like W's, there is an increase in funds for faith-based initiatives.... abstinance-only education is the hot-button topic, but other government sponsored faith-based initiatives include AIDS relief and disaster relief programs.  Why is it that these are alloted money as faith-based programs? I see no reason that they shouldn't be secular.  It's things like this, the pandering to the religious right, that give nonreligious people a less-than-pleasant opiinion of republican zeal(otry).

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it takes as much faith to believe sciences version of origin as it does to believe any other


No, it doesn't.  We had this discussion before; I admit it takes almost as much faith to believe in the Big Bang as religious creation (though the background IR spectrum/red-shifting provides some supporting evidence for the former, while the latter is supported only by the Old Testament account).  But to believe religious creation over the Theory of Evolution takes a high degree of ignorance (not necessarily stupidity, but ignorance of the facts of the matter).


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
And Phred, while Ferris certainly overstated his case, there is some truth amidst the bullshit.


I apologize, I was drinking, and my tolerance for religion tends to drop to zero at that point :crazy:


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
It is my business. Teaching creationism in school is a violation of the Establishment Clause and is unconstitutional. The Constitution is not subject to the whims of the mentally deficient masses.


Where in the Constitution does it even allow schools to get federal money and if they don't they can do anything they want?  Remember the "these things and only these things" clause? 

At any rate, this has a way of taking care of itself.  Like in Kansas when the saner members of society realized their kids would be disadvantaged in college and kicked the morons on the school board out.

Why are you so bossy?


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
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it takes as much faith to believe sciences version of origin as it does to believe any other


No, it doesn't.  But to believe religious creation over the Theory of Evolution takes a high degree of ignorance (not necessarily stupidity, but ignorance of the facts of the matter).


abiogenesis from the scientific view suggests that a little
inorganic matter and inanimate organic molecules got together
and had a little too much wine and one thing led to another
and the generation of life occurred... sounds pretty well
rooted in faith to me... to believe either requires faith


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: zappaisgod]
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Why are you so bossy?


I'll remember this quote the next time you start bitching about people stealing your tax money.

Degradation of the learning environment is an externality that effects everyone in our country. Our primary schools have already sunk to such a horrendous level that dumbing it down with religious nonsense is hardly acceptable.

Also, where does the establishment of a religion end? If we teach creationism in science class, do we have to teach Hindu reincarnation along with all the other fairy tales ever created and followed mindlessly? The courts have said clearly that the state can not involve itself in any action which endorses one religion over any other.  Teaching the merits (which supposedly exist) of creationism without teaching the merits of any other religion violates this.

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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Sounds more like chance, a LOT of chance, over a long period of time.  Maybe one day we'll actually be able to calculate the chance, which would help us nail down how much life there is similar to that on Earth on other planets (let alone life in no way similar to that on Earth, like sun-creatures, etc).

That chance starts to get crazy when you start factoring in the number of planets out there.  How does the famous philosophical theory go?  We aren't here on earth out of luck, we are here on earth because that just happens to be where life formed.  The real deal sounds so much more eloquent.


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Redstorm]
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> The courts have said clearly that the state can not involve itself in any action which endorses one religion over any other.

In God we trust.
One nation, under God, ...


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Re: McCain stretching the truth again [Re: Entropymancer]
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Entropymancer said:
Zappa does have a bit of a point here.  I've not seen a source which says explicitly that Palin advocated that parents be allowed to vote to include Creationism in a science curriculum.  That would be a truly damning stance (as science is concerned only with hypotheses testable by the reproducible collection of data).


You haven't seen it because it doesn't exist
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And Phred, while Ferris certainly overstated his case, there is some truth amidst the bullshit.  The republican anti-abortion stance is almost entirely religiously motivated; McCain flipped on that issue so that he could gain access to the "religious right" block of voters and have a shot at winning; he knew he didn't stand a chance without them. 


When did McCain ever flip on abortion?
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For Palin and the majority of the voters who constitute the religious right, it is a religious issue.  Also, under republican administrations like W's, there is an increase in funds for faith-based initiatives.... abstinance-only education is the hot-button topic, but other government sponsored faith-based initiatives include AIDS relief and disaster relief programs.  Why is it that these are alloted money as faith-based programs? I see no reason that they shouldn't be secular.  It's things like this, the pandering to the religious right, that give nonreligious people a less-than-pleasant opiinion of republican zeal(otry).


Call me when we get an atheist Democrat nominated.
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it takes as much faith to believe sciences version of origin as it does to believe any other


No, it doesn't.  We had this discussion before; I admit it takes almost as much faith to believe in the Big Bang as religious creation (though the background IR spectrum/red-shifting provides some supporting evidence for the former, while the latter is supported only by the Old Testament account).  But to believe religious creation over the Theory of Evolution takes a high degree of ignorance (not necessarily stupidity, but ignorance of the facts of the matter).


Science is testable and mutable.  Dogma is not.  Given that there is significant evidence for evolution and no evidence for creationist crap creationism should be relegated to the dust heap with the Earth-centric universe and other papist crap.  But the realm of the ethics or morality of abortion is not a scientific question.  Frankly, I can't understand how anyone who believes in the soul and god and all that jazz can reconcile support for abortion.


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