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New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon
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Pilots for 9/11 Truth obtained black box data from the government under the Freedom of Information Act for AA Flight 77, which The 9/11 Report claims hit the Pentagon. Analysis of the data contradicts the official account in direction, approach, and altitude. The plane was too high to hit lamp posts and would have flown over the Pentagon, not impacted with its ground floor. This result confirms and strengthens the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the buillding.
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Madison, WI (PRWEB) June 21, 2007 - A study of the black box data provided by the government to Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11. "We have had four lines of proof that no Boeing 757 hit the building," said James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. "This new study by Pilots drives another nail into a coffin of lies told the American people by The 9/11 Commission":

The new society, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) under the Freedom of Information Act and obtained its 2002 report on American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 that, according to the official account, hit the ground floor of the Pentagon after it skimmed over the lawn at 500 mph plus, taking out a series of lamp posts in the process. The pilots not only obtained the flight data but created a computer animation to demonstrate what it told them.

According to the report issued by Pilots for 9/11 Truth (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/), there are major differences between the official account and the flight data:

a. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.
b. All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.
c. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense "5 Frames" video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.
d. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.
e. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

As Robert Balsamo, co-founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth, observes, "The information in the NSTB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001." The study was signed by fifteen professional pilots with extensive military and commercial carrier experience. They have made their animation, "Pandora's Box: Chapter 2," available to the public at http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Pandora's+Black+Box%3A+Chapter+2 .

According to James H. Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth (http://911scholars.org), this result fits into the broader picture of what happened at the Pentagon that day. "We have developed four lines of argument that prove--conclusively, in my judgment--that no Boeing 757 hit the building. The most important evidence to the contrary has been the numerous eyewitness reports of a large commercial carrier coming toward the building. If the NTSB data is correct, then the Pilot's study shows that a large aircraft headed toward the building but did not impact with it. It swerved off and flew above the Pentagon."

Fetzer, who retired last June after 35 years of teaching courses in logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning, expressed pleasure over the Pilot's results, which, he said, has neatly resolved the most pressing issue that remained about the Pentagon. He added, "We have previously developed several lines of argument, each of which proves that no Boeing 757 hit the building," including these four:

(1) The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a 100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands 44 feet above the ground; the kind and quantity of debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: there were no wings, no fuselage, no seats, no bodies, no luggage, no tail! Not even the engines were recovered, and they are practically indestructible.

(2) Of an estimate 84 videotapes of the crash, the three that have been released by the Pentagon do not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O'Reilly admitted when one was shown on "The Factor". At 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been visible. There are indications of a much smaller plane, but not a Boeing 757.

(3) Indeed, the aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory--flying more than 500 mph barely above ground level--physically impossible, because of the accumulation of a massive pocket of compressed gas (air) beneath the fuselage; and if it had come it at an angle instead, it would have created a massive crater; but there is no crater and the official trajectory is impossible.

(4) Flying low enough to impact with the ground floor would have meant that the enormous engines were plowing the ground and creating massive furrows; but there are no massive furrows. The smooth, unblemished surface of the Pentagon lawn thus stands as a "smoking gun" proving the official trajectory cannot be sustained.

Members of Scholars have contributed to a new book that analyses the government's official account, according to which 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four commercial airliners, outfoxed the most sophisticated air-defense system in the world, and committed these atrocities under the control of a man in a cave in Afghanistan. Entitled, THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY (2007), it includes photographs of the hit point before and after the upper floors collapsed, the crucial frame from the released videos, and views of the clear, smooth, and unblemished lawn.

"Don't be taken in by photos showing damage to the second floor or those taken after the upper floors collapsed, which happened 20-30 minutes later," Fetzer said. "In fact, debris begins to show up on the completely clean lawn in short order, which might have been dropped from a C-130 that was circling above the Pentagon or placed there by men in suits who were photographed carrying debris with them." The most striking is a piece from the fuselage of a commercial airliner, which is frequently adduced as evidence.

James Hanson, a newspaper reporter who earned his law degree from the University of Michigan College of Law, has traced that debris to an American Airlines 757 that crashed in a rain forest above Cali, Columbia in 1995. "It was the kind of slow-speed crash that would have torn off paneling in this fashion, with no fires, leaving them largely intact." Fetzer has been so impressed with his research he has invited Hanson to submit his study to Scholars for consideration for publication on its web site, 911scholars.org.

"The Pentagon has become a kind of litmus test for rationality in the study of 9/11," Fetzer said. "Those who persist in maintaining that a Boeing 757 hit the building are either unfamiliar with the evidence or cognitively impaired. Unless," he added, "they want to mislead the American people. The evidence is beyond clear and compelling. It places this issue 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon."

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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I'm telling you those fucking Joos did it, in order to provoke war against Arabs and Muslims$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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The year is 2045: "just in, new evidence that suggests 9/11 was inside job"

Seriously, when is this shit going to stop? I guess some people need something to do with their lives, but seriously, there are better things to waste your time on.

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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Yet more gibberish (and outright lies) from the moonbat brigade. Ho hum.

The only thing different about this one is that somehow they conned Yahoo News into running the press release unedited in its entirety as a serious news article. Shame on Yahoo. I would expect that kind of credulous pandering from the New York Times or the Guardian, but Yahoo? How disappointing.



Phred


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: lonestar2004]
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Here's the smelly poop that maybe isn't so quickly and clearly or concisely visible.
List of members includes:

Quote:
Kevin Smith
Sailplane pilot
Producer, Alex Jones Show
Inforwars.com




http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

A few other bozos:
Craig Hill
Post Solo Student Pilot
Ran as 9/11 Truth candidate for US Senate for Vermont in 2004 and 2006.
Eyewitness Experts
Aldo Marquis
Craig Ranke
ThePentaCon

I think that this has received every bit of the attention it deserves at the porta john on my job site. The beauty of these people is that they continue to mock themselves. The site also includes this:

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06/23/07
Please be advised when reviewing the article entitled "New Study From
Pilots For 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 Hit The Pentagon" the following.
These (relatively minor) points are made in the interest of historical
accuracy. Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not write it and some corrections need to
be stated. Click here for more information. Thank you.



Just say "no."


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: dedjam]
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SOUTH PARK

"Who was behind 9/11/ A bunch of Pissed of Muslims of course, what are you a retard?"


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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I need a new tinfoil hat, this shit is getting ridiculous.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Yeah dudes just worry about eating mushrooms brah.

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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Opps, forgot to nig you. My bad.


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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I'm trying to put the bits together, and they don't fit... help me out here...

1) A big plane is flown towards the pentagon as a cover.

2) A small missile is timed to hit the pentagon as the plane flies overhead.

3) A big plane, that was used as cover, is not noticed as it flies away after narrowly avoiding the pentagon. Never mind the big explosion, smoke, and fire that would draw every eye in that general direction. Maybe they used a Klingon cloaking device?

4) They quickly setup a crash scene, strew bits of plane all over, and make it look like a plane, rather than a missile, hit the pentagon. All this before anybody leaves the building or any media arrive.

5) Wouldn't it be much easier to simply take a plane and crash it into the building, assuming it was an inside job and that they wanted to make it look like a plane crashed into the building?

6) This one is an assumption on my part, but, I doubt that the instrumentation on the plane had been updated when it changed course. With barometric changes, the altitude could easily have been off (assuming pressure based altimeter)


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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As though forty people signing it makes it more official. :rofl2:


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Seuss]
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Hello... ??? Can nobody explain these discrepancies?


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Seuss]
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Only Travis, Come in Travis, "One of these days a real rain is gonna wash the streets, Freaks, Dopers, Fairies....."


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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: zappaisgod]
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Quote:
Wouldn't it be much easier to simply take a plane and crash it into the building, assuming it was an inside job and that they wanted to make it look like a plane crashed into the building?




Exactly... logic is a bitch isn't she?

Most conspiricy bullshit can be debunked very simply... and you can never ignore the simple fact that this government can't do SHIT right, but somehow managed this multi-faceted jewel of secrecy?

I believe that deep in the power structure of our "system", some evil overlords have more power than others... but it's a far cry from this.

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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I would rather listen to professionals in the field and scholars rather than some hippys that eat mushrooms and spend all their time on a msg board.

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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So you would rather base your opinions on blind faith that someone says something is true rather than back up your arguments?

You do realize there are experts that say that 9/11 happened just how most people think it did. Why don't you believe them? They're experts too.

/Gasp! I know why you actually believe them! It's because they conveniently believe the same thing you do. What a surprise!

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
/Gasp! I know why you actually believe them! It's because they conveniently believe the same thing you do. What a surprise!



Could it truly be so?


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Redstorm]
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That article is from pilots. Why do I have to back up when these people do? I don't have to back them up, they did all the research, they are big boys and girls and can back up the work.
All you guys wanna do is insult people that have a different view than themselves. Then you wanna look cool by basically saying people wear tin foil hats.
If you want them to back it up email them if you are interested.
But really I am going to listen to these organizations, rather than burnouts that don't prove anything, but just insult.

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Rahie]
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Why not listen to all the pilots and engineers that do not believe 9/11 happened like the conspiracy theorist believe?

Just admit it, you believe it because you want to believe it and nothing is going to budge you from your position, especially not logic.

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Re: New study from Pilots for 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon [Re: Redstorm]
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I do listen to other views all the time. I have listened to countless round tables with people from both sides of the story's. I have heard many debates on the subject.
Why must you assume so much?
Out of all the debates guess who has won? Not the guys from popular mechanics or other people that believe the official story.

You must stop being so closed minded and assume you know everything about a person and how they think, and what they know.

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