Awebig Throy said:

Naw...

I would say that most of us have some kind of transgressive belief... conscious or not.  Upfront or secret. 

Something else we all TEND to have in common is the general preference of peace and wellness in our community and for our families.

I don't believe we are all super moral or ethical.. but, on the day to day, we shy from violence and rather to have a society that functions, without camps and genocide. 

It actually take alot of work for a government to get away with atrocities.

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Awebig Throy said:

Naw...

I would say that most of us have some kind of transgressive belief... conscious or not.  Upfront or secret. 

Something else we all TEND to have in common is the general preference of peace and wellness in our community and for our families.

I don't believe we are all super moral or ethical.. but, on the day to day, we shy from violence and rather to have a society that functions, without camps and genocide. 

It actually take alot of work for a government to get away with atrocities.

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vicepope said:

.....Both have cons so picking either can be considered evil, but choices being made in bad faith agents leads to problems with bad outcomes.

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Kryptos said:

Except history has shown us that this is not the case repeatedly, and psychological studies have since confirmed this will not be the case.

30% of the population will gas their (inferior) neighbors as soon as someone they perceive to be an authority tells them to do so.

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Kryptos said:

Except history has shown us that this is not the case repeatedly, and psychological studies have since confirmed this will not be the case.

30% of the population will gas their (inferior) neighbors as soon as someone they perceive to be an authority tells them to do so.

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Awebig Throy said:

I do not believe America will ultimately become a totalitarian nation and commit a major genocide.

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vicepope said:

Kryptos said:

Except history has shown us that this is not the case repeatedly, and psychological studies have since confirmed this will not be the case.

30% of the population will gas their (inferior) neighbors as soon as someone they perceive to be an authority tells them to do so.

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Wrong, the Milgram experiment says 65% will shock people to death regardless of "inferior" people or not as long as authority figure says to do it. It's not about racism its about human beings are social creatures that have herd mentality.
What about ring wing political theory offends you more than left wing political theory.

Are you trying to justify the 30% would gas chamber their neighbor because of racism so you don't feel confident about your idea of killing all republicans in death camps.

Either genocide is right or wrong.  If its wrong why are you Kryptos so offended by bad ideas that you be happy commit mass murder based on thoughts opposite of yours?

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Awebig Throy said:

Kryptos said:

Except history has shown us that this is not the case repeatedly, and psychological studies have since confirmed this will not be the case.

30% of the population will gas their (inferior) neighbors as soon as someone they perceive to be an authority tells them to do so.

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I don't think you understand the circumstances that brought about the brutality we credit to the Nazi party.  Germany was in a very desperate place; The entire world had isolated it from trade and industry since ww1,  What little it had of law enforcement and political will, was through 'Friekorps' essentially mercenary, thugish gangs, on adventure raids, more often than serving the public.  Unemployment was often over 50%. 

When you have a stable, educated and just society... there is no want for a Hitler, Pol Pot or other extremist ideolog with big wild ideas to take authority over that 30%. 

This is why I described the alienating partisan behavior, in the last 10+ years as cautionary... Both sides have undermined their own ethics and institutions, eroded freedom or speech and expression.  They set precedents for the use of hyperbole and demonizing entire groups of people, in attempts to make political gains... all of which greatly backfired.  The United States is in a time of erosion; rights, quality of life, global standing and respect..  No Nazi's did this...  It was greedy Media, ambitious/inept/corrupt politicians, vacuous film and social media influencers; all of whom subscribed to a hardline partisan divide..... and I think that you may actually survive it, BECAUSE of your judiciary, rights and freedoms.  I do not believe America will ultimately become a totalitarian nation and commit a major genocide.

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mushboy said:

Awebig Throy said:

I do not believe America will ultimately become a totalitarian nation and commit a major genocide.

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opens history book**

uhh.. yah, no. we already have committed major genocide.

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Kryptos said:

When it comes to republicans and trump voters, I'm in the shoot 'em all and let their gods sort them out camp.

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Kryptos said:

vicepope said:

Kryptos said:

Except history has shown us that this is not the case repeatedly, and psychological studies have since confirmed this will not be the case.

30% of the population will gas their (inferior) neighbors as soon as someone they perceive to be an authority tells them to do so.

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Wrong, the Milgram experiment says 65% will shock people to death regardless of "inferior" people or not as long as authority figure says to do it. It's not about racism its about human beings are social creatures that have herd mentality.
What about ring wing political theory offends you more than left wing political theory.

Are you trying to justify the 30% would gas chamber their neighbor because of racism so you don't feel confident about your idea of killing all republicans in death camps.

Either genocide is right or wrong.  If its wrong why are you Kryptos so offended by bad ideas that you be happy commit mass murder based on thoughts opposite of yours?

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The Milgram experiment is both flawed and irrelevant to this discussion.

Quit putting words in my mouth. I never said any of that. Your failures at reading comprehension are your own.

Political violence is also not genocide, unless you're arguing that voting for political parties is a genetically inherited trait.

Edit: Also the only thing your "21st century death camps" bullshit shows is that you don't understand the difference between right wing and left wing. That's a common failure of reasoning which is heavily pushed by right wingers looking for excuses. Kinda similar to how Israel conflates itself, a political entity, with Jewish religion in an effort to shield itself from criticism.

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Awebig Throy said:

A bloom of arts and culture does not equal economic stability.  It does not mean, that the common people were well off... safe in their homes, enjoying law and order.  It means a very lucky few, were dancing and drinking in a tiny part of one city.

There is no real debate, of the depression, unemployment and despair faced in post ww1 Germany.. and that it ultimately led to the support of the National Socialists; Not for a return to traditional values, but, because it put food on the table, gave Germans jobs, a place in the industrial revolution and a sense of dignity, rather than being treated like Europe's outcast step-child.

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