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    #22440346 - 10/27/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Ten years ago, Mark Pischea, then a 42-year-old political consultant and father of five from Williamston, Michigan, was rushed to the hospital with severe stomach pain.

Pischea was diagnosed with Crohn's disease, a chronic autoimmune condition that can cause extreme abdominal discomfort, weight loss, fatigue and fevers. For the next decade of his life, the formerly healthy husband and father lived in a constant cycle of flare-ups, surgery and recovery.

After his fifth surgery, Pischea was bedridden for six weeks. At that point, he was told his only remaining options were a sixth surgery or the removal of his stomach. He said that he felt ready to die.

But there was, in fact, one other option, albeit an unconventional one. At his wife’s insistence, Pischea got out of bed, boarded a plane and made his way down to a rustic healing center in San Roque de Cumbasa, a tiny village in the Peruvian Amazon.

Pischea spent most of the next three weeks in solitude, following a strict dieta of rice, plantains and specially prepared plant teas. Several times a day, he met with a shaman named Antonio, who prescribed him local plants known to induce vomiting, as a way to cleanse the body and "reboot" the immune system. The shaman's recommendations also included ayahuasca, a potent hallucinogenic brew, and kambo, the venom of a rain forest tree frog.

Four months later, Pischea is free of not only his Crohn’s symptoms, but also the depression that had developed alongside his sickness.

“For me, being symptom-free is nothing short of a miracle,” he told The Huffington Post. "I'm thankful for each day that I'm feeling well."
Looking for answers

Pischea is one of a rapidly growing number of Americans struggling with cancer, chronic disease, mental illness and other ailments who have turned to the Amazon for answers that modern medicine has failed to provide them.

“I went to the top Crohn’s clinics in the world and saw the top doctors in the world, and none of them could help me,” Pischea said. “There is a curative quality to the plants in the jungle that you really need to be there in that environment to experience. I think it really does work.”

But the potential medicinal resources of the Amazon -- especially the 80,000 plants native to the region, and the shamanic knowledge that often exists only in oral form among the disappearing tribes -- remains largely untapped. Despite the fact that 25 percent of modern pharmaceuticals are derived from rain forest plants, currently less than 1 percent of tropical plants have been analyzed for medical purposes.

Even the plant medicines that are commonly used by shamans, as the indigenous medicine men and women are called, are poorly understood by Western doctors. So far, there has been little research aimed at evaluating indigenous plant medicine and shamanic treatment protocols.

But that’s beginning to change. Now, a large-scale new research project is creating the opportunity for a meeting of the minds between traditional and modern medicine, between shamans and scientists.

In Ecuador and Peru, the Runa Foundation -- a nonprofit that does conservation work in the Amazon and provides opportunities for economic advancement to indigenous peoples -- is working with a new initiative, PlantMed, to build medical clinics for the research of plant medicine, facilities that will be the first of their kind.

"What we’re doing is trying to put together a multidisciplinary team that involves Western-trained physicians and psychologists as well as the shamans that are indigenous to these areas," Dr. Mauro Zappaterra, a Harvard-trained physician who is on the advisory board of the forthcoming clinics, told The Huffington Post. "It’s bringing together the best minds from Western medicine and from Amazonian, or shamanic, medicine... to create an even better medicine that incorporates all of it." 

Looking to the rain forest for the next miracle drug is hardly a new practice. Pharmaceutical companies have been sending ethnobotanists to the rain forest for decades to test and collect plants with potential medicinal properties. But for all this exploration, there’s been little collaboration between these medical researchers and the people who have been harnessing the healing powers of these plants for thousands of years.

That kind of collaboration is at the core of PlantMed's mission. At the Naku Center, located in an area of rich biodiversity deep in the Ecuadorian Amazon, researchers from Stanford, Yale and other institutions will work with healers from the Sapara tribe, an endangered society of fewer than 600 people. At the Rios Nete center in Peru, researchers will work with the Shipibo, a larger tribe whose members are well-known for their medicinal wisdom.

At each center, an M.D. and a shaman, with the support of a team of wellness practitioners and clinicians, will care for an initial group of 15 patients using shamanic protocols, while the researchers analyze their treatments using modern technology. The facilities are slated to open early next year.

While modern medicine is the most sophisticated healing system ever designed, it’s “still got a lot of holes in it,” said Dr. Mark Plotkin, an Amazonian ethnobotanist, conservationist and author of the 1994 book Tales of a Shaman’s Apprentice.

“All you've got to do is look at pancreatic cancer, insomnia, acid reflux, stress -- all these things that Western medicine can't cure -- to realize we need alternatives or additions,” Plotkin told HuffPost. “As Westerners, we're taught that anything that isn't done by a white guy in a lab coat isn't science, but that obviously isn't true.”

Dr. Gerard Valentine, a psychiatrist and researcher at the Yale School of Medicine and an adviser for Rios Nete, says that PlantMed's clinics are “poised to translate an overlooked trove of botanical knowledge into novel, practical and evidence-based modes of treatment.”

Patients will stay at the clinics for anywhere from three weeks to four months, depending on their diagnosis and disease progression. They’ll be assigned both a lead M.D. and a lead traditional healer, who will work together on their case.

For each patient, the shaman will conduct a holistic assessment of his or her physical, mental, emotional and spiritual state. The patient will then be given a plant medicine treatment protocol intended to address what the shaman has determined to be the root cause of the patient's ailment. Meanwhile, the researchers will analyze the shaman's treatment methods and plant prescriptions, measuring various biomarkers of disease in the patients before and after treatment, and noting both positive and adverse effects.

“It’s creating not only a research center, but a healing center," Zappaterra said. "Doing research is how you move medicine forward. You ask questions to investigate. Collect the data, analyze the data. See what the effects are, see what the side effects are."

The first order of business at the clinics? Finding a cure for autoimmune disease.




That is around the first half of the article, click the link for the rest.

I can't believe this is finally happening, being apart of research like this would be a dream come true for me. I hope they do a wonderful job.


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: musiclover420]
    #22440392 - 10/27/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

this is so exciting!


I have a really good feeling about the future of the image that psychedelics will have in out lifetime. :peace:

thanks for the link


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22440841 - 10/27/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

Yeah we have come a long way since the days of "this is your brain on acid" propaganda BS :lol:

Would be amazing if this is the start of a return to natural remedies over patented overpriced pharmaceuticals.

Can't wait to see what this research turns up in the future!


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: musiclover420]
    #22440846 - 10/27/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

the information is getting out there and more and more respectable scholars are backing the data, but don't underestimate the billions (probably trillions) of dollars that big pharma brings in, and is in bed with the gov.


there's no way they're going down without a fight.

I'm still hopeful though


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22441052 - 10/27/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Mr.PhilCybin said:

there's no way they're going down without a fight.






That is for sure :lol: greedy bastards. I know I have said this before and I will say it again, that is why its "Time For Guillotines" :wink:



In all seriousness though like you said the info is getting out there, people are waking up to the corruption that is apparent in our society.

They have already tried making plants illegal and look how well that went, not saying they won't continue doing fucked up things like that but they can no longer keep the wool over all the sheep's eyes so to speak.


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: musiclover420]
    #22441155 - 10/27/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I Just smiling....not many words for this.
Really happy to see some progress!
:raisemyglass:
Way to go guys!


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #22441792 - 10/27/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Doctors usually don't have a fucking clue which direction to point you in. I used to have horrible ibs that was very similar to chrohn's symptom wise. I had been hospitalized and tried all kinds of expensive medications. Turned out I was reacting to the toxic compounds in the solanacea plant family, tpmatoes, peppers, and potatoes primarily. Once I stopped eating those plants all of my symptoms went away. I spent over 15 years in misery every day because I couldn't figure out how to communicate with my own body. I always knew these foods were toxic but just accepted that because everyone else eats them then they must be ok. I even spent 11 years on a useless fucking gluten free diet at the advice of multiple naturopathic doctors.


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #22441864 - 10/27/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Based on what you said, it doesn't sound to me like anyone was useless in your diagnosis and treatment--conventional doctors or traditional ones. Nor does it sound like there was anything specifically wrong with the treatments/solutions that were explored. You had/have an ailment, the origin of which could only be determined through many years of close observation and trial/error. You can't expect Drs to be clairvoyant. Everyone seems to expect Drs to have the answers to even the most complex medical issues, and when they don't it is because they are stupid or only interested in pushing costly western medications. The fact is, Drs save lives and they work hard and train for a very long time to be effective. I'm not saying that there isn't a place for traditional medicines, but if I have heart disease, diabetes, cancer or any number of other serious illnesses, my money is on modern, Western medicine to fix it (if it is in fact fixable). If I'm diagnosed to be terminal I am going to trip my balls off with a bad ass shaman :cool:


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #22441951 - 10/27/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Doctors usually don't have a fucking clue which direction to point you in. I used to have horrible ibs that was very similar to chrohn's symptom wise. I had been hospitalized and tried all kinds of expensive medications. Turned out I was reacting to the toxic compounds in the solanacea plant family, tpmatoes, peppers, and potatoes primarily. Once I stopped eating those plants all of my symptoms went away. I spent over 15 years in misery every day because I couldn't figure out how to communicate with my own body. I always knew these foods were toxic but just accepted that because everyone else eats them then they must be ok. I even spent 11 years on a useless fucking gluten free diet at the advice of multiple naturopathic doctors.



how did you end up finding out what the cause was?


and an unrelated note, hows the pooch?


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22442034 - 10/27/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I went back and forth with different diets for a couple years and nothing made sense, seemed hopeless. One of these diets consisted of nothing but chili every day. My diet at that point was almost nothing and I was still having horrible symptoms. I was on a lot of etizolam at the time so I don't really remember what made me figure it out but I think it just clicked and was clear to me what my problems were. My doctors had literally given up on me and had told me such. One of them gave up and put mne on 30mg hydrocodone per day because it was the only thing giving me any relief. There are so many ideas a doctor could have given me but unless it was a treatment paid for by my insurance my doctors had no interest in any of it.
Tourmaline(my dog) is doing great! I haven't had her lungs x-rayed recently or mine either, but from what I've read there'll likely be benign spots on our lungs for the rest of our lives. We both did fine hiking and mining at 14,000' this summer so hopefully we're good. We start digging in southern California soon for gems 150 miles west of where we contracted the valley fever. I'm gonna wear a mask and keep Tourmaline upwind from any tailing dust.


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: musiclover420]
    #22442395 - 10/27/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

This is so fuckin cool!

Cant  wait for the results. I bet its gunna stun the scientists.

Good stuff :yesnod:


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22443248 - 10/28/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty neat, glad more and more compounds will be looked at.

But I would be willing to bet that the first guy in the article was cured by contracting a type of hookworm or nematode. There has been a lot of people to claim their auto-immune disease to be cured by contracting parasites and a few institutions that operate as such with fairly good success rates. And, to me, this makes way more sense about solving his disease than any particular medicine does.

So not to diss this shamanic medicine, but I just wanted to point this facet out. Still, I imagine there are a lot of ailments that this research could help. Exciting stuff


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #22443862 - 10/28/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

be safe out there man, glad to hear you and the pup are doing well :thumbup:


things like that make me wonder what kinds of things I might be mildly allergic to that I eat all the time.

My dad didn't know he was slightly allergic to tomatoes til he was in his 40's


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: pslyke]
    #22445660 - 10/28/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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pslyke said:
I'm not saying that there isn't a place for traditional medicines, but if I have heart disease, diabetes, cancer or any number of other serious illnesses, my money is on modern, Western medicine to fix it (if it is in fact fixable).




I have had a fucked up nose for around half my life, I can only breathe out of one nostril which causes various issues.

After years of just dealing with it I finally convinced my family to take me to a doctor, I explained the situation and agreed to surgery.

The doctor pretty much just assumed what I guessed was the issue was. I had a big bump in one nostril that obstructed my breathing. So I get the surgery done, pretty expensive by the way and after my nose healed up I still couldn't breathe out of it very well. Turns out the obstruction is further up my nasal cavity, but the doctor didn't bother checking for that, he just assumed the bump was the issue like I thought. So my family spent a ton of money just to remove a bump from one side of my nose. Seems like as a doctor he could have actually checked to make sure the surgery would help before telling me I need expensive surgery on my nose...

Of course the hospital isn't complaining they got a fuckton of money from us... Meanwhile I still can only use one nostril.

The point is doctors care more about money than their patents much of the time it seems.


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: musiclover420]
    #22445767 - 10/28/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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The point is doctors care more about money than their patents much of the time it seems.



it's the american way.

you're a dollar sign, and they're business first.


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Re: Scientists Put Shamanic Medicine Under The Microscope [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
    #22446787 - 10/28/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Damn capitalism :shakefist:


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