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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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I think that if you replace the words "space quanta" in every one of your sentences with "chicken giblets" your theory actually makes more sense.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Tedwilto]
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:rofl:


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Oh yeah, smitty, while I am on a quote tangent, let me add one from one my favorite scientists, Niels Bohr:

"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think."


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: isaacein]
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isaacein said:
Smitington said:
I would say that light never ultimately achieves the ultimate speed limit or one space quanta per one time quanta, but comes very very close to it. 





You would say that huh?


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I am quite sure that different light has been observed to travel at slightly different velocities




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Different light huh? Different in what respect?

"Quite sure"? It's unbelievable how little you know about what you think you are talking about.

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I still have more to learn about SR and GR




Apparently you still have to learn all of it, except perhaps the vocabulary.


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Modern physics wants to define it as relative, while I want to define it as absolute but remembering that it is important to keep relativity effects in mind.




Right; you mean those "relativity effects" due to space being relative?


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Also, Einstien pointed out that gravity was unlike other forces because using the formula f=ma, the mass of the object in question would cancel out, and thus mass was not related to the acceleration.




What? What do you mean the mass "cancels out"? It seems you cannot even interpret a linear function properly. Moreover, this relation is valid for any force, not just gravitational forces.

What this relation says is that the acceleration on an object is proportional to the total force exerted on it, with the proportion being given by the mass of the object. Gravitational forces have nothing in perticular to do with this relation.


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Also, I believe in gravitational waves as a way to explain gravity.



Believe as in "have faith"?

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My idea on space quanta is that they act like a mind, and they store information, and decide, very conciously, what to do with that information.  All forces can be explained simply as decisions which the space quanta have made.  I view forces and decisions to be the same thing.  When we see a twenty dollar bill on the ground, we are attracted to it, and pick it up, therefore I view there being a force which pulled us to the 20 dollar bill.  When space quanta which holds matter recieves gravitational waves which indicate that another space quanta out there also holds matter, that space quanta, judging by how many gravitational quanta it recieves, accelerates its matter, that is, it passes it on to neighboring space quanta, choosing the direction based upon which direction the gravitional quanta came from.



I imagined reading this from a textbook and I shot milk out of my nose. The above paragraph is a tribute to all past, present and future trolls of the Internets.



I'm sorry I am not as well versed as you, but I have read that light travels at different speeds, I am sorry that I am not more able to explain where I have heard this and how it works, your the text book, you tell me.

the F=MA example was a simple example that was not even my own, but yes, using the classic gravitational force model, the mass of the object you are determining the acceleration for would cancel out, I have read this be something that Einstien has pointed out.

About relativity, you don't really seem to understand my view point.  Yes space is relative.......from our point of view.  Escape this mind trap you are in.

I am again sorry that I do not have all the knowledge you do, and I have admitted it several times, and that I want to study physics.  None of your points however have taken anything away from my theory.  You guys keep tripping over the semantics of everything.  The best critism to my theory was that in QED light travels faster than c sometimes, other than that you guys have absolutely no evidence that space quanta and time quanta do not exist.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Smitington said:
Not really, SR is all about gravitation, plus you wanted me to explain my stance on GR.




So far, the only thing you have convinced anyone of is that you do not know anything about what you are talking about.

I challenge you to give a brief description of the most basic principles of special relativity, since you know all that it's about. Be precise, and do not just state results; explain your claims and do not refer to your own "theory". Explain how the results of special relativity affect theoretical physics in general, and explain how we know that special relativity is a good model (give examples of experiments).

To be fair, I will not comment at all on your description. I will let other readers judge for themselves.

At this point, if you refuse, I'm quite sure that everybody will interpret your refusal as definite proof of your utmost incompetence. If you succeed, then you will have regained some credibility and perhaps people will pay more attention.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: flangenips]
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flangenips said:
I agree.
His questions seem more on the lines of Philosophy of speech and semantics... than they do scientific ones.
However, philosophy and science are interlocked - in that without evidence or logic(/math) its easy to be sceptical of a philosophy too.

Logic is a field in philosophy that i consider highly linked to science - and it was my favourite at uni. And we studied (as mentioned in this thread) xenos paradox.
However - just because a trajectory has infinite points, it doesn't actually mean it cannot reach a point and is unable to be quanitified.
The paradox (like most) is a paradox of thought process and language - not practical science. Quantifying is something we do in order to compare and contrast - helps us with standards and controls in practical sciences. Paradoxes are a weak way of say something is impractical and wrong.

If you can show mathematically whats wrong with measuring distance between quanta then maybe you've got our attention.
If you can back that up with an experiment, then maybe we'll believe you.



I have tried several times to end this thread with "thank you for challenging me and I have alot of work to do"


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: isaacein]
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isaacein said:
Smitington said:
Not really, SR is all about gravitation, plus you wanted me to explain my stance on GR.




So far, the only thing you have convinced anyone of is that you do not know anything about what you are talking about.

I challenge you to give a brief description of the most basic principles of special relativity, since you know all that it's about. Be precise, and do not just state results; explain your claims and do not refer to your own "theory". Explain how the results of special relativity affect theoretical physics in general, and explain how we know that special relativity is a good model (give examples of experiments).

To be fair, I will not comment at all on your description. I will let other readers judge for themselves.

At this point, if you refuse, I'm quite sure that everybody will interpret your refusal as definite proof of your utmost incompetence. If you succeed, then you will have regained some credibility and perhaps people will pay more attention.



Sry, I had GR and SR confused.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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General Relativity will do, if you prefer. I promise I won't even laugh at the fact you had the two confused.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: isaacein]
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I don't care if you laugh, it is what you want to do anyways so it's all good, we all know what you expect when I explain it.


I'm not gonna pretend I know more about it than I do, and I'm not gonna wiki it up to explain it better.  The best I can do right now is say that in GR a flat surface is likened to space, and an object is ontop of this flat surface, which causes it to bend in, like if you had a rubber sheet stretched out, being held tightly at each end, if you were to place a bowling ball in the middle, the ball would stretch the sheet down.  Now, if you set a marble on this rubber sheet, towards the end of it, it would roll down until it hit the bowling ball, this is because of the dip the bowling ball made.  This is a metaphor for gravitation.  The rubber sheet is the fabric of spacetime, and a massive object actually bends spacetime, and it is this bend of spacetime that causes objects to move toward each other.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Smitington said:
I don't care if you laugh, it is what you want to do anyways so it's all good, we all know what you expect when I explain it.


I'm not gonna pretend I know more about it than I do, and I'm not gonna wiki it up to explain it better.  The best I can do right now is say that in GR a flat surface is likened to space, and an object is ontop of this flat surface, which causes it to bend in, like if you had a rubber sheet stretched out, being held tightly at each end, if you were to place a bowling ball in the middle, the ball would stretch the sheet down.  Now, if you set a marble on this rubber sheet, towards the end of it, it would roll down until it hit the bowling ball, this is because of the dip the bowling ball made.  This is a metaphor for gravitation.  The rubber sheet is the fabric of spacetime, and a massive object actually bends spacetime, and it is this bend of spacetime that causes objects to move toward each other.



Oh I see; so you know what physics is all about, but in metaphors.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: isaacein]
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I see math as the stuff that follows an idea, which is why I say for einstien, relativity was an idea, he did not invent his theories because mathematics led him to discover them, his ideas led him to discover them, and he used math to explain them


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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True but his theories were thought up in a mind more well versed in physics than many physicists at the time.  He was a genius the likes of which is rarely seen in humanity.  His theories weren't a forceful attempt to put his viewpoint on physicality.  He had a deep understanding of physics and thus could see errors in physical thinking at that time.  You have no such thing

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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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And yet that is i think the 5th time you have compared yourself to einstein.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Tedwilto]
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Tedwilto said:
And yet that is i think the 5th time you have compared yourself to einstein.



wow


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Tedwilto]
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Chespirito said:
True but his theories were thought up in a mind more well versed in physics than many physicists at the time.  He was a genius the likes of which is rarely seen in humanity.  His theories weren't a forceful attempt to put his viewpoint on physicality.  He had a deep understanding of physics and thus could see errors in physical thinking at that time.  You have no such thing




I am a genius, I have been told this my whole life, and I am not afraid to admit it, it is just a word.  I know my flaws, I am quite flawed, and I don't see myself as being better than anybody else, but I have my own very unique gifts which aren't always easy for others to pick up on.  You brought up that you think I am not a genius, and I am not afraid to defend myself, so let it go, if you think I'm not, fine, feel free to express it, I don't care, it's not gonna change anything, and it will only be for the sake of expressing yourself so that you feel better about yourself.

In Einstiens time, physics was alot simpler.  Over the past century it has blossomed into craziness, very few people understand all of it, and much of it is radical theories.  I view modern physics as a result of countless derivitave theories from other derivitave theories where the base theory isn't exactly correct.  It's like a person who has a repressed traumatic event in their life, you can treat the person by giving them medication, using behavioral techniques, teaching them cognative techniques to over come some problem, but I'm the kind of guy where instead of constantly trying to treat the symptoms of the problem, I'm going to dive into what is at the core causing the problem, the traumatic repressed event.  I am not so concerned with learning all the medicational treatments, cognative treatments, and behavioral treatments.  To relate that to physics, modern physics knows alot of how to treat the symptoms of phyics, but has no idea what space actually is, what time actually is, and what matter and energy actually are.  I'm very interested in what these things are, we need to understand them more for physics to progress.

Think of me what you will, I am not better than anything, and I have alot to learn before I turn this IDEA (hint hint) into a full fledged ready to be published theory.


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And yet that is i think the 5th time you have compared yourself to einstein.



No, it is maybe the 4th time I have had to reuse that example because people did not understand it.  Me bringing that example up initially counts as one compare to einstien, the fact that I have had to reuse the example because you guys didn't get it until now doesn't add to my compares to einstien.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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I thought we had reached the high point five pages ago, but oh boy I was wrong.

A mod needs to lock this thread before he calls himself Jesus. Although I have a feeling the mods are reading this thread and getting a good kick out of it. Visits from the "Paranormal & Mysticism" subforum are rare and we should enjoy them. Send my regards their way, genius.



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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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If you were serious about physics youd be learning it :shrug:

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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Chespirito]
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I plan to study physics, but as I indicated earlier I want a degree in computer science because I believe computers will be a great tool in researching physics, plus it's easier to get a job in computers than it is in physics, physics is my hobby, among other things, I have come to the realization that I should just get a job that I will be happy with and pays the bills because I have so many interests that it's best to just explore them outside of work for the most part.

PLus, I'm not pushing myself to put this "theory" out, it has been something my mind has been working on for probably 8 years now, and there is no need to rush it, every once in a while I get insight to progress it, so I really just look at it like an on going thing that may or may not lead somewhere big.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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I was an EE major and I took plenty of physics courses I didn't need to.  I also sat in on courses and talked to profesors whose classes I wasnt taking.  If you really wanted to do something serious with physics you could make it happen.  Starting in CS and moving to physics grad school is possible but difficult, you better make damn sure you have good grades in all your physics classes, then do CS research relevant to physics.

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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Just answer me this, did you used to live in Socal?

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