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Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional
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I am glad to hear ObamaCare (ACA) is receiving attention. It appears that the individual mandate has been ruled unconstitutional.

I always hated the individual mandate. Unlike roads, being forced to pay a tax by the individual mandate penalty does not allow one the chance to use the healthcare services. And if you don't pay for other people's healthcare? They come to your house with guns and take you away.

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A Texas federal judge on Friday ruled that Obamacare violated the Constitution, likely pushing the ruling towards the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Judge Reed O’Connor, a U.S. District Judge for the Northern District of Texas appointed by former President George W. Bush, ruled that Obamacare violated the Constitution.

O’Connor said that because the individual mandate is “essential” to the rest of the ACA, all of Obamacare is invalid.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/14/texas-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional/amp/



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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL] * 1
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Meh, one district judge doesn't mean shit. His ruling is not binding on any other court in the country.  It isn't even binding in his court on any other case.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: Enlil] * 1
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I think if they really truly honestly want affordable healthcare, they should look at some of the billing.  Doctors charging over $100 for a two minute conversation.  Doctors billing for 45 minutes when it was more like two or three.

There's a lot of fancy pen work in medical coding.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
And if you don't pay for other people's healthcare? They come to your house with guns and take you away


Got any evidence of this?  Sounds like more of the willfully ill informed drivel you continuously spew.

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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: Morel Guy]
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I pay my doc 100 and he does a good job. He took care of my fractured ankle and gave me some free braces.

He's a good small town doctor. An Eastern Indian. Good man.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL] * 1
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Don’t worry everybody trump says we’re going to have amazing healthcare. He’s on it.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
I always hated the individual mandate. Unlike roads, being forced to pay a tax by the individual mandate penalty does not allow one the chance to use the healthcare services. And if you don't pay for other people's healthcare? They come to your house with guns and take you away.

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Is it fair to say that you would support universal healthcare/medicare for all then?

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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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It depends how it is proposed.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL]
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What would your ideal proposal be?

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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: krypto2000]
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I'm guessing it's to make the rich and the poor pay an equal amount, so the poor can't afford it.  But maybe XUL will prove me wrong...


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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He doesn’t want to pay for other people’s insurance. Of course, he doesn’t want to pay for his own either.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: koods]
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Let's give him a fair chance to respond before we crticise him for things he hasn't even said.

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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: krypto2000]
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I can't wait.  I think our premature responses made XUL realize there is no good answer.  :smirk:


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Yeah, I'm thinking he's just going to flake out and ignore the question.

See, that's why I like debating someone like you. We almost always carry the debate to completion and make honest attempts to do so. In the end one of us changes our mind, we come to an agreement, or determine that we were arguing separate issues all together.

So many debates with the XULs and qmans of this world devolve into logical fallacies or simply abandoning the debate all together when it looks like there's no where else to go with their position.

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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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:toast:


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: krypto2000]
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I lean towards private insurance that could be bought even out of state. Competitive markets.

I am glad ACA is being debated as unconstitutional. There may be alternatives to private insurance, but ObamaCare isn't it.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL] * 2
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Ha!  My guess was correct ("to make the rich and the poor pay an equal amount, so the poor can't afford it").  :cool:


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (12/18/18 04:11 PM)

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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL] * 3
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You are technically correct. Obamacare used private insurance, thus it was not an alternative at all.


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
I lean towards private insurance that could be bought even out of state. Competitive markets.

I am glad ACA is being debated as unconstitutional. There may be alternatives to private insurance, but ObamaCare isn't it.


Omg you just eat up anything trump says. Why do you think crossing state lines is a magic bullet?


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Re: Texas Judge Rules Obamacare Unconstitutional [Re: XUL] * 3
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XUL said:
I lean towards private insurance that could be bought even out of state. Competitive markets.

I am glad ACA is being debated as unconstitutional. There may be alternatives to private insurance, but ObamaCare isn't it.


I agree the ACA is fucked up and far from ideal, but given ultimate control in designing the healthcare system why would you choose to privatize it? I just don't see what advantage throwing a bunch of middle men with a profit motive in has to the system, the public, or anyone but themselves.

I see an argument that government can be inefficient or whatever, but I don't see why that applies to the question. If you are designing it you can design it without the inefficiencies. The private interests within the healthcare market is the very reason it's so expensive today and Obamacare was created; it's not like we started a major national debate because the system we had was working so well.

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