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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
You really don't see how the geographical location and the size of the country have anything to do with the natural resources at their disposal?  :justdontknow:

Just because you don't understand what information is entailed in a  source it doesn't mean that it isn't there...



entailed in?  contained in?  anyway...


what's this talk of a source?  try looking at a map is not a source.  you're a smart guy, that much is obvious, but try looking at a map is a bullshit reply.

you stated that they're incapable of forming an expeditionary force due to, first, lack of personnel.  israel has over 600K trained active and reserve heads, another 120K or so coming of age each year, and almost 3 million fighting age adults deemed fit for duty that have all been previously, or currently, trained.  that doesn't back up your lack of personnel contention.

it's not as if this expeditionary force will be fighting 6,000 miles away.  their fight is in their front and back yards...i know this because i tried looking at a map. :cool: 

you also stated they lack the resources to form such a force.  it's incredulous to say that a state as rich as israel cannot muster the resources to form an expeditionary force, especially when the US will sell them anything short of a nuke.

so the map didn't help explain your point.  you could explain it, i'm sure of it, even if i disagreed with your explanation.  but even an explanation that i disagreed with would be infinitely better than a smartass reply that makes you sound dumb when you're a pretty fuckin smart dude.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: chibiabos] * 1
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relic said:
chibiabos said:
You really don't see how the geographical location and the size of the country have anything to do with the natural resources at their disposal?  :justdontknow:

Just because you don't understand what information is entailed in a  source it doesn't mean that it isn't there...



try looking at a map is not a source.  you're a smart guy, that much is obvious, but try looking at a map is a bullshit reply.

the map didn't help explain your point.  you could explain it, i'm sure of it, even if i disagreed with your explanation.  but even an explanation that i disagreed with would be infinitely better than a smartass reply that makes you sound dumb when you're a pretty fuckin smart dude.



Exactly!  :toast:

Believe it or not chibiabos, we're actually interested in understanding your point of view.  You just need to explain it a little better than "Look at a map."


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (05/03/18 04:48 PM)

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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yep.

i was short with my initial "source?" request, but i made that request not as some dumb gotcha question but because i read all his posts and was interested in understanding why he would say israel couldn't project power next door with a conventional force.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
chibiabos said:
The Ecstatic said:
Also I missed the international law that says its cool to assassinate journalists as long as your gun's calber is below 50.



They didn't assassinate journalists.  They shot people who were taking pictures of their positions, just like a spotter would.

And it is a contested frontier.  That's why the Israelis built a rampart on their side of it and patrol it.  The IDF also pulled out of Gaza in 2005.  Gaza might be a fucking mess, but that's pretty much entirely on Hamas for ripping up the infrastructure and continuously squandering whatever aid gets sent there.  But hey man, those houses on the French Riveria don't pay for themselves.  :justdontknow:

My favorite part is when Hamas builds bunkers to store munitions instead of bomb shelters and then literally tells their citizenry to go and catch bullets with their own flesh.  Truly great leaders with their peoples' best interests in mind.



Everything bad Israel does in Gaza is actually Hamas' fault.

Just like everything bad Israel does in the West Bank is actually Hezbollah's fault.


It couldnt possibly be that Israel is being condemned by virtually the entire world because they brazenly disregard international law. Thats crazy.



the only reason israel controls gaza and the west bank is because egypt, jordan, iraq and syria teamed up to destroy israel and they got their land stolen. it would be foolish and unsafe to give the land away to thr palestinians until there is no longer a threat of terrorism. egypt is lucky that israel even gave sinai back. if you try to stab me and i take your knife, im not giving it back.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
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The Sinai is a knife?

If I move into your neighborhood and lock up some of your neighbors in the world's largest open air prison, and begin moving my shit into parts of their house, I won't be surprised if you try to stab me.


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
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Bullshit, the '67 war was an unprovoked attack against the arabs to steal land. THey even tried to sink the uss liberty and all its crew to eliminate witnesses. Its established that it was a preemptive attack yet the uninformed ones all will say the arabs attacked first


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
The Sinai is a knife?

If I move into your neighborhood and lock up some of your neighbors in the world's largest open air prison, and begin moving my shit into parts of their house, I won't be surprised if you try to stab me.



israelis giving palestinians power when they excepted nothing less than islamic rule over all of israel and stated jihad is the only solution for almost 30 years, would be like giving a knife to someone who wants to kill you. hamas cant just call for the killing of jews and go around using this quote 

"The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews."

then expect to be given power.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
The Sinai is a knife?

If I move into your neighborhood and lock up some of your neighbors in the world's largest open air prison, and begin moving my shit into parts of their house, I won't be surprised if you try to stab me.



What about all of the people who evacuated their homes of their own volition in 1948, expecting to come back to more than they had after the ALA made good on their promise to kill all of the Jews?

And, to reiterate, Israel does not control Gaza.  Hamas is the government of Gaza.  The Israelis pulled out of Gaza in 2005.  Blaming Hamas for how Gaza is run is like blaming the US government for US policy.  It's not Israel's fault that Hamas doesn't give a shit about anybody in the territory that they control.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: chibiabos] * 1
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Evacuated of own volition, lol they were driven out by terrorists like menehem begin and other savages who murdered them and burned their homes.

Then its the palis fault they are starving and oppressed, not the fault of the jews who did it to them. Yeah sure.

No one wants to comment on the fact that isreal started the '67 war to steal land and attacked the usa in the process. Our leaders are such no ball wimps they did nothing about it.


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Stonehenge]
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It's definitely Hamas's fault that their territories have an incompetent government, but by and large the Palestinians have mostly been fucked over by the rest of the Arab world.

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: chibiabos]
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Bu bu bu but, what about Hamas?!?!?!


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: The Ecstatic]
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So I shouldn't blame the government of the Gaza Strip for how the Gaza Stip is run?  :justdontknow:

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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: chibiabos]
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Yeah and blame the Aryan Brotherhood for how Angola Prison is run.

Genius.


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Re: Iran warns of severe consequences if Trump walks away from nuclear deal [Re: Patlal]
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You ignore the shootings, confiscation of funds, and other nifty tricks that isreal plays on them. Poisoning wells, bulldozing olive orchards and houses, punishing relatives of those killed in suicide attacks or for other reasons. Imprisonment without charges or trial, torture, and of course killing those they don't like

Sounds fair to you doesn't it? Blame it on hamas


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