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Re: What do you belive. [Re: Psy Baba]
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DuNeRaVeR said:
Eh, I am not concrete either way. I can only go off what experience I have.

My inside feelings tell me that we were created with reason, and that would explain why we(humans) are given higher consciousness.

I was raised Christian and had that pounded in my head for 16 years, then giving a choice what to believe what I want.

From then till now (I am 21) It has been a constant discovery for my own. Gathering Ideas and info from everywhere, and trying to see everyones point of view.

My only concreteness has been a hybrid theory of both sides. So, in my head, there is a god yes. We also can evolve.

I think we were created as a basic homosapien, and evolved from that to what we are today.



Stop pulling shit out of your ass.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: Psy Baba]
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Albert Einstein: "After religious teachers accomplish the refining process indicated, they will surely recognize with joy that true religion has been ennobled and made more profound by scientific knowledge."

I think everyone can agree upon energy being a great factor to our existence.


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Re: What do you belive. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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reeferaddict69 said:
DuNeRaVeR said:
Eh, I am not concrete either way. I can only go off what experience I have.

My inside feelings tell me that we were created with reason, and that would explain why we(humans) are given higher consciousness.

I was raised Christian and had that pounded in my head for 16 years, then giving a choice what to believe what I want.

From then till now (I am 21) It has been a constant discovery for my own. Gathering Ideas and info from everywhere, and trying to see everyones point of view.

My only concreteness has been a hybrid theory of both sides. So, in my head, there is a god yes. We also can evolve.

I think we were created as a basic homosapien, and evolved from that to what we are today.



Stop pulling shit out of your ass.



Actually a lot of time has been put into contemplating existence. In complete soberness, and under the influence of psychedelics.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say I am right in any way. Just possibilities to think about.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: Psy Baba]
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DuNeRaVeR said:
Albert Einstein: "After religious teachers accomplish the refining process indicated, they will surely recognize with joy that true religion has been ennobled and made more profound by scientific knowledge."

I think everyone can agree upon energy being a great factor to our existence.



Yes and....?


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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I honestly dont know what to believe. I do not believe in god for many personal reasons and because I need solid proof . I seem to believe more in reincarnation than anything else, and I do not associate reincarnation with any particular religion or at least not trying to. I believe in this:

Energy doesn't just disappear, so where does are energy go after we die? My thoughts are that your energy will be born again right when you die. That could be wrong in every way possible, just like christianity could be wrong in everyway possible.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: vetsinspandex]
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Our energy is released and becomes one with the universe, while our consciousness ends.

:fairy:

Just a guess.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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A large surge of DMT. :thumbup:


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
LordOfChaos said:
Science and religion are the same thing if you ask me.



Except one is support by evidence, the other is supported by a book (at least christianity) written 1800 years ago before w even knew what gravity was.



That religion predates the book.


HELLA_TIGHT said:
Not to mention still believing the world was flat.



They didn't believe the Earth was flat at that time. I think the world is refered to as a sphere at one point in maybe Revelations.

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Re: What do you believe. [Re: Disco Cat]
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Source?


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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Gimme a bit to find it, but I have also been told this by multiple people in my debates.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: Psy Baba]
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Of course the 2 most religious people I know don't even answer there phone :rofl:


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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I should rather be asking you for a source that claims it was unknown that the Earth was spherical at that point.


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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

By classical times the idea that Earth was spherical began to take hold in Ancient Greece. Pythagoras in the 6th century BC, apparently on aesthetic grounds, held that all the celestial bodies were spherical. However, most Presocratic Pythagoreans considered the world to be flat.[6] According to Aristotle, pre-Socratic philosophers, including Leucippus (c. 440 BC) and Democritus (c. 460-370 BC) believed in a flat earth.[7] Anaximander believed the Earth to be a short cylinder with a flat, circular top which remained stable because it is the same distance from all things.[8] It has been suggested that seafarers probably provided the first observational evidence that the Earth was not flat.[9]

Around 330 BC, Aristotle provided observational evidence for the spherical Earth,[10] noting that travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon. He argued that this was only possible if their horizon was at an angle to northerners' horizon and thus the Earth's surface could not be flat.[11] He also noted that the border of the shadow of Earth on the Moon during the partial phase of a lunar eclipse is always circular, no matter how high the Moon is over the horizon. Only a sphere casts a circular shadow in every direction, whereas a circular disk casts an elliptical shadow in all directions apart from directly above and directly below.[12] Writing around 10 BC, the Greek geographer Strabo cited various phenomena observed at sea as suggesting that the Earth was spherical. He observed that elevated lights or areas of land were visible to sailors at greater distances than those which were less elevated, and stated that the curvature of the sea was obviously responsible for this.[13] He also remarked that observers can see further when their eyes are elevated, and cited a line from the Odyssey[14] as indicating that the poet Homer was already aware of this as early as the 7th or 8th century BC.

The Earth's circumference was first determined around 240 BC by Eratosthenes. Eratosthenes knew that in Syene, in Egypt, the Sun was directly overhead at the summer solstice, while he estimated that a shadow cast by the Sun at Alexandria was 1/50th of a circle. He estimated the distance from Syene to Alexandria as 5,000 stades, and estimated the Earth's circumference was 250,000 stades and a degree was 700 stades (implying a circumference of 252,000 stades).[15] Eratosthenes used rough estimates and round numbers, but depending on the length of the stadion, his result is within a margin of between 2% and 20% of the actual circumference, 40,008 kilometres. Note that Eratosthenes could only measure the circumference of the Earth by assuming that the distance to the Sun is so great that the rays of sunlight are essentially parallel. A similar measurement, reported in a Chinese mathematical treatise, the Zhoubi suanjing (1st c. BC), was used to measure the distance to the Sun– albeit by assuming that the Earth was flat.[16]

Lucretius (1st. c. BC) opposed the concept of a spherical Earth, because he considered the idea of antipodes absurd. But by the 1st century AD, Pliny the Elder was in a position to claim that everyone agrees on the spherical shape of Earth,[17] although there continued to be disputes regarding the nature of the antipodes, and how it is possible to keep the ocean in a curved shape. Pliny also considers the possibility of an imperfect sphere, "shaped like a pinecone".[17]

In the Second century the Alexandrian astronomer Ptolemy advanced many arguments for the sphericity of the Earth. Among them was the observation that when sailing towards mountains, they seem to rise from the sea, indicating that they were hidden by the curved surface of the sea. He also gives separate arguments that the Earth is curved north-south and that it is curved east-west.[18] Ptolemy derived his maps from a curved globe and developed the system of latitude, longitude, and climes. His writings remained the basis of European astronomy throughout the Middle Ages, although Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages (ca. 3rd to 7th centuries) saw occasional arguments in favor of a flat Earth.

In late antiquity such widely read encyclopedists as Macrobius (4th c.) and Martianus Capella (5th c.) discussed the circumference of the sphere of the Earth, its central position in the universe, the difference of the seasons in northern and southern hemispheres, and many other geographical details.[19] In his commentary on Cicero's Dream of Scipio, Macrobius described the Earth as a globe of insignificant size in comparison to the remainder of the cosmos.[19]

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Re: What do you believe. [Re: Psy Baba]
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Isaiah 22
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

Proverbs 27
"When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth"

Job 26
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."


Only semi relevant things I could find.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
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This is also from the wiki page on the Flat Earth:


The modern belief that especially medieval Christianity believed in a flat earth has been referred to as The Myth of the Flat Earth.[1] In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.[2] Several scholars[3] have argued that "with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat" and that the prevailing view was of a spherical earth.[1] Jeffrey Russell states that the modern view that people of the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat is said to have entered the popular imagination in the 19th century, thanks largely to the publication of Washington Irving's fantasy The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus in 1828.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_mythology

The Myth of the Flat Earth or Flat Earth mythology refers to the modern belief that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical. Today it is widely recognized among professional medievalists and historians of science that the "medieval flat Earth" is a misconception, and that the few verifiable "flat Earthers" of the period were the exception.

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Re: What do you believe. [Re: Disco Cat]
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Science knows a lot of things. Some of which i don't think will ever be proved wrong. But there is limits to logical thought and critical analysis. You know a lot of the old scientific theories that we laugh at and were proved totally wrong were completely logical at the time.

For example, there was an explorer hundreds of years ago called captain Cook. Cook was a genius, he discovered and charted almost half the world. He also discovered Australia. The English government sent him on a voyage to discover the "great southern continent" which they believed theoretically had to exist. They believed it had to exist based on the idea that there is so much land mass in the northern hemisphere and so little in the southern. They believed this extra weight in the top half of the world would give the world a lop sided trajectory. So there must be undiscovered land mass down the bottom to even it out. Sounds kind of funny right? Well, at the time it was totally logical and actually really clever. If the world was a ball and under normal conditions, if one side was heavier than the other it would be lopsided. There was no way they could possibly know that in space gravity works totally differently.

Its the same with lots of the scientific theories today. They seem totally logical now. But we are working on limited data. As we explore more we will discover whole new bits of data which will probably in the end make lots of theories look stupid to future generations. Just because something is logical, doesn't mean its true.

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Re: What do you believe. [Re: DimensionX]
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For example, there was an explorer hundreds of years ago called captain Cook. Cook was a genius, he discovered and charted almost half the world. He also discovered Australia. The English government sent him on a voyage to discover the "great southern continent" which they believed theoretically had to exist. They believed it had to exist based on the idea that there is so much land mass in the northern hemisphere and so little in the southern. They believed this extra weight in the top half of the world would give the world a lop sided trajectory. So there must be undiscovered land mass down the bottom to even it out. Sounds kind of funny right? Well, at the time it was totally logical and actually really clever. If the world was a ball and under normal conditions, if one side was heavier than the other it would be lopsided. There was no way they could possibly know that in space gravity works totally differently.



There's a difference between a scientific theory and...something that some people used to think.

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Its the same with lots of the scientific theories today. They seem totally logical now. But we are working on limited data. As we explore more we will discover whole new bits of data which will probably in the end make lots of theories look stupid to future generations. Just because something is logical, doesn't mean its true.



This is why all science can be based only on the available data, a fact which scientists acknowledge.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
There's a difference between a scientific theory and...something that some people used to think.





That was a scientific theory of the time. An accepted one as well, because it was logical. The same thing happens today. So science should not be taken as gospel, no matter how logical it appears to be.

Edited by DimensionX (04/15/08 11:21 PM)

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Re: What do you believe. [Re: DimensionX]
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Do you believe the cells that make up our bodies know they are part of and collectively responsible for a greater whole?

Or do they just do what they have to do to survive themselves oblivious to their role?


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: JonnyDeformed]
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Given that every cell contains a complete copy of your genetic code...I would have to say they are "aware" of their part in a larger whole, but only able to do their specifically assigned role.


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Re: What do you believe. [Re: DimensionX]
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DimensionX said:
guruu said:
There's a difference between a scientific theory and...something that some people used to think.





That was a scientific theory of the time. An accepted one as well, because it was logical. The same thing happens today. So science should not be taken as gospel, no matter how logical it appears to be.



That wasn't science at all. It didn't use the scientific method. They may have called it science, but it obviously wasn't.


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