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Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!)
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So who here enjoys the occasional stimulant? Cocaine, Ecstasy Pills, MDMA, and yes even meth; ya know, some of the "bad guys" in the drug world.

I do. And i don't have a problem with it. It seems there's so much hate towards them, even by people who usually like to experiment with just as dangerous chemicals (heroin, morphine, PCP, oxy's, and yes even alcohol i group in the "bads").

Now to be clear, I'm not saying the stims are any better for you, i freely admit they have bad effects on your whole system, but in moderation they can be extremely fun, just as the others. Is it just a D.A.R.E. type influence, along with the plethora of recent (~10-15 years) anti meth advertisements that has seeped into a collective "understanding" of stimulant type drugs?

I know i was one of those kids, from the beginning, and mainly because of DARE actually. I Thought marijuana was something for losers, something that has no value, and would just destroy your life no matter what: and they ever so cleverly ingrained that same mentality with all drugs (at least with me and my childhood experience).

Until i started to do them myself. My first real experience with a true stim was with JJ print Ecstasy pills, which now (after having dabbled in what i know is good meth) i know was LARGELY cut with it, along with some kind of MDXX. And i loved it, so i figured why not continue? See what i like.

After that, my best friend and I, who i had just tripped the JJ's with, ate the first mushrooms ever, (on no sleep the night after, which made it even more AWEsome :heart:) my mind was open to the possibility that some things, even those that most people deem "evil", "disgusting", "wrong", or somehow "immoral", might not be so bad.

So what do you guys think, and do you (in moderation) draw a clear line between meth, coke, adderall (which is just a combination of 4 different forms of amphetamine) and E pills, MDMA/MDXX? (Because of course ANY chemical taken to the extreme, is harmful, no doubt [except for maybe eaten cannabis :cool:])

Of course I'm leaving caffeine and nicotine out of it, even though nicotine is quite up there in terms of dangerous, but well, maybe it should be placed with them. What are your thoughts?


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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: Hrethic]
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I have never done meth or cocaine, but I am quite a bit fan of MDMA.  I do it maybe 3 times a year.  It's fun as hell with the right people in the right scene.  I just dropped MDMA mixed with methylone last night, and they potentiated each other and I rolled REALLY hard for a good 4 hours.  I haven't rolled that hard since I used to take pills cut with speed.

I said I haven't done meth, but I don't think that's entirely true.  I definitely took some meth/MDMA pills a couple years ago one of my first times, and I was FUCKED.  It was very euphoric, but I felt really tweaked out.  I didn't sleep at all, and had an amazing afterglow for a couple days.  It was weird though.  I don't think I'm as into other stims like adderall - I tried it a handful of times, never above 20mg, and I just find the crash way too harsh.

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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: pwnasaurus]
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i won some kind of medal from the dare thing when i read an essay i wrote in front of everyone...hmmm


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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: venetianblinds]
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venetianblinds said:
i won some kind of medal from the dare thing when i read an essay i wrote in front of everyone...hmmm



:brilliant:

:grin::-) just kidding. I think dare has a very good goal, to keep kids away from abusing drugs.

This is just my opinion, but i think we're (humans) able to make a solid decision of what we want to do with our bodys at about 15-18, depending on the person.

The only problem i have with DARE is that they group like Mr. Mackey does, "Drugs are bad, mmkay?"

Now this could have changed, i don't know, but sorry for derailing my own thread, back to stimies.


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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: Hrethic]
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fuck meth and fuck tweakers

MDMA promotes love and empathy, meth promotes rape and death.

The two combined just equals one very wacked out dude.

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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: chopstick]
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You sound like D.A.R.E.


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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: 0rusnjos]
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I like my occasional stim. I'm a hardcore psychedelics fan but I'm open to new experiences. I'm sitting on some dank molly but I'm saving it for the right moment.

Other that I love my amphetamines :drooling: Not recreationally tho, but when I need to study. Its teh bomb :happyweed:

I've only had 1 pill and 120mg of molly, some MDPV and a bunch of S-speed. The MDPV wasn't really worth it.


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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: mellowparty]
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tried meth once, it wasnt the best stuff out there. would like to try it again except have good shit next time. havent come across anything that ive said no to. i like trying a bit of everything, but using drugs like heroin is too hard to keep doing in moderation/not too much. for me at least, so i dont really dabble with that.

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Re: Playing Devils Advocate (¡N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine!) [Re: jamminshaman]
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See i kinda group heroin in the same category as meth. HIGH, to extrememly high abuse potential, coupled with extrememly high dependency and withdrawal symptoms (alcohol, meth, crack/cocaine are about the top three).

And yeah, street meth is a TOTAL gamble. I happen to have somebody who can get pretty consisntently good/great stuff, so I've only had some shitty stuff once or twice. And yes, it is SHITTY. Doesn't really get you high, tastes terrible in the bowl, and burns about 4 times as fast as decent stuff.

One of the real problems with judging for yourself stuff like this is just that, the quality of the product you yourself can acquire. So much is just crap, that has just enough of actual whatever-you're-looking-for to keep you a bit high and wanting more.

You know it's good when you you're drooling after doing 1/20th of it :crazy2:


chopstick said:
fuck meth and fuck tweakers

MDMA promotes love and empathy, meth promotes rape and death.

The two combined just equals one very wacked out dude.




See, i think that you YOURSELF promote love and empathy, drugs just increase it if you like them, and decrease it if you don't. Maybe the "idea" behind "meth dealers" promotes rape and death.. but how much of that is lead by you and filtered through your own personal experience, and how much is simply society/anti drug ads/etc fueling your thoughts?

This is a deep question, because this one, unlike alcohol and possibly heroin (never tried, so i can't say) can REALLY get me going, to the "rushing" stage, even with something as simple as music and making art. To the point where i want to do what I'm doing MORE than the drug.

Only cannabis and very good doses/times of psychedelics have done that for me. No foolin'


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Edited by Hrethic (11/07/11 01:34 AM)

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