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Psilocybe semilanceata/ liberty cap & plant rhizomes - experimental
      03/30/23 10:09 PM

I would do this myself but I do not have all the supplies, nor the current means. But to anyone interested, I have been interested in growing P. semilanceata but as you probably know this is not an easy task. I may be an amateur mycologist.

I have been researching how this may be possible, and I have only seen a handful of other people mentioned online who have successfully fruited this species.

I have a hypothesis that may not be exclusive to me but that I began thinking of on my own. I haven't seen this written anywhere either.

It is said that the mycelium feeds off the dead roots of the grasses in wetland areas and often in tufts of grass where the soil has had sheep, or other sh** in the soil.

There are a few observations I made researching this species in its natural environment. I'd love to be able to go find these some time in person, but nevertheless... this is all hypothetical anyway.

People always mention the sedges.

Notice these plants which grow around psilocybe semilanceata

Rhytidiadelphus squarrosus moss, grows horizontally

Deschampsia cespitosa


I am hypothesizing that the mycelium grows with the root system, and with the rhizomes that grow horizontally. During the winter the rhizomes die, and this not only provides food, but also shelter from the soil. I hypothesize that the mycelium grows inside of the hollowed out rhizomes

P. Sem in a line, growing with the rhizome under the soil

Reed sweet grass rhizome




Cyperus longus roots



These plants, I think, are crucial to these mushrooms

I also think there is something to potentially be aware of if one thought about trying to grow these.

Take a look at a map versus where these are found and the copper distribution and concentration of that area.


The copper concentration seems to go from high and then medium to low and with a few spots very low. These mushrooms seem to hang out where the copper concentration is going down but it still relatively high. I wonder if this has to do with them being able to survive in, and thus prefering by virtue of evolution, an environment where not many other fungal species can live.
To make it more interesting...

Psilocybe semilanceata mycelium has antimicrobial properties that prevent fungal root rot in these grasses. I think this is because the fungus needs these rhizome systems intact for it to grow. I don't think it is merely decomposing the roots of these plants, and nor do I think this is a case of parasitism.

I think the copper concentration in one's soil mix would need to be about in the yellow... I'm not sure but I think this may be part of why the mycelium would need the shelter of the inside of a rhizome in order to get a foothold, as copper is not particularly easy on fungi. I think there is indeed a symbiotic relationship going on, and perhaps even something like mycorrhizae, but I can't say for certain.

If one wanted to try to implement an indoor setup, one would want to have a soil/substrate mix, likely 1 - 1½ feet deep, in a three by three space where the temperature can be controlled. I would use a slightly acidic soil base setup with peat moss. I would also use horse manure or sheep dung if I could get it.
You would need a grow light and a clear, tall lid to place across the entire grow space. Think a really big monotub, but in a grow tent.
The soil would be inlaid with a proper concentration of copper, or perhaps one would want to do a test run dividing the space into two test groups, one with added copper and one without.
I think buying a grass rhizome online that is already dead could serve as a means of spreading the spores all on top of the soil mix.
Liquid spores syringes could be used to squirt all the spores onto the rhizomes, preferably inside the intact hollow ones.
These inoculated rhizomes would then be spread all over the top of the soil and then soil would be put on top of it to cover
Then the actual plants would be planted and allowed to grow.

In order to get it to fruit, I hypothesize you would need to constantly maintain this grow environment, allowing the moss to grow, the whatever sedges, like pond sedges, or Carex riparia, and the grasses like the deschampsia or sweet grass etc. Etc. My idea is as long as you can keep some of the grass dying and going into the soil, when you then drop the temperature, probably gradually and raise the humidity, you could likely get the entire chamber to fruit consistently.

I don't know what kind of maintenance this would take, but I would then similate a short winter with some sort of air conditioner unit hooked up to the grow tent where some of the vegetation can actually die and then after a couple weeks turn the heat back up again and just simulate mini season cycles, and I bet you could do this for quite some time.


Edited by Blue_Lux (03/31/23 10:22 AM)

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. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   03/30/23 10:50 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   03/30/23 10:56 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing CreonAntigone   03/31/23 12:34 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing ohkw   03/31/23 03:58 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   03/31/23 04:30 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   03/31/23 04:27 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   03/31/23 04:43 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing luteofolius 2.0   03/31/23 07:11 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   03/31/23 07:21 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing CreonAntigone   03/31/23 11:43 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing myc_ousin_vinny   04/01/23 02:51 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   04/01/23 10:24 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Baba Yaga   04/02/23 05:07 AM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing luteofolius 2.0   04/02/23 08:41 AM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   04/02/23 12:08 PM
. * * Re: P. Semilanceata / Liberty Cap potential method for growing Blue_Lux   04/02/23 12:11 PM
. * * Re: Psilocybe semilanceata/ liberty cap & plant rhizomes - experimental Blue_Lux   04/20/23 07:22 PM
. * * Re: Psilocybe semilanceata/ liberty cap & plant rhizomes - experimental Nooddy   01/19/24 06:32 PM
. * * Re: Psilocybe semilanceata/ liberty cap & plant rhizomes - experimental Nooddy   01/20/24 02:12 AM


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