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alcoholism a disease palmersc 06/06/06 05:53 PM
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Re: alcoholism a disease
      06/08/06 10:48 PM

Whatever study you might be familiar with does not make it or break it in terms of the 'potential' efficacy of the model. The model is a spiritual one, and along with C.G. Jung, his predecesor William James, and modern thinkers - transcendence of the human condition is the answer. Addiction is one of the more dismal aspects of the human condition and I have seen people use the model with success.

The higher numbers of people who drank to excess does not attribute causality to group membership. It more likely concerns more rabidly addictive individuals desparately grasping help whilst they drown in their disease. I don't know what your experience is with addicted individuals, but I've been working in the field for over 20 years. Studies that you yourself have not created (who is University Park Press anyway, and to monopolize accuracy for what, your argument?) do not bolster your argument.

BTW, religious experience is an experience of the Numinous. It is immediate and completely transforming to one who has undergone such. Belief, as in doctrinal statements deriving from tradition, has no bearing on the immediacy of religious experience even though such an experience may be colored by exposure to myths and teachings. There is no contradiction here.

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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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