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alcoholism a disease palmersc 06/06/06 05:53 PM
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Re: alcoholism a disease
      06/08/06 09:46 PM

"What doesn't God have to do with?"
"There is no belief system involved."
"The highest rungs aim at a transforming religious experience."

This doesn't seem contradictory to you? "There is no belief system involved, just a transforming religious experience."

Furthermore, according to the all-too-pious twelve step program:

"1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs."

(Source: http://www.aa.org/en_services_for_members.cfm?PageID=98&SubPage=117)

Plus, under clinical scrutiny, the success rate of A.A. has been dismal. The University Park Press published an article that showed those who had gone through A.A. drank five times more often than the control group, and nine times more often than those who underwent REBT. I have yet to see any clinical trial that supports the effectiveness of the twelve step program.

But, of course, you can always negate this, again, with "Obviously, you don't know the first thing about AA/NA." Ad hominem makes for a cogent arguement.

Edited by MushmanTheManic (06/08/06 09:47 PM)

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