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alcoholism a disease palmersc 06/06/06 05:53 PM
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Re: alcoholism a disease
      06/08/06 01:24 PM

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Disease
a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning.




If we take Markos position that all mental disorders are mental diseases, then the part of us which is "impairing normal functioning" is our mind.

When we treat a part of the body which has become diseased, must we "let go and let God"? Perhaps this would be an effective aspect of treatment for someone with strong religious faith, as the placebo effect can be quite powerful. For someone with little or no faith, this would probably not benefit their treatment.

If alcoholism (and depression, schizophrenia, psychosis, OCD, etc...) is a disease of the mind, then treatment which directly addresses this part of us will be the most effective.

Which method of treatment will be the most direct would, naturally, vary from mind to mind. My mind is accessed most directly through rationality and scientific testing of methods and ideas. Your mind might be accessed directly with AA's 12 steps, Reichian bodywork, long hikes through the redwoods, or any number of access-points.

IMO, calling alcoholism a "disease" creates a victim-perpetrator dichotomy. Instead of saying "I am engaging in addictive behavior," the diseased alcoholic might say "alcoholism made me do it." If we have a mental/emotional disorder, then it is up to us to restore order. No outside disease perpetrator has broken in to mess up our tidy mental house--we did it.

I believe that taking personal responsibility for dysfunctional choices is STEP ONE in any effective treatment program.

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