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alcoholism a disease palmersc 06/06/06 05:53 PM
. * * Re: alcoholism a disease leery11   06/06/06 05:57 PM
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Re: alcoholism a disease
      06/08/06 12:20 PM

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MarkostheGnostic said:
AA is a yoga-stage-like discipline that Bill Wilson constructed based on his own 4 years of LSD psychotherapy. Since he could not give LSD to alcoholics, he translated his experience down to a very workable program - and this after C.G. Jung told him that religious experience was the answer to the misdirected alcoholics plight. Read Bill's autobiography if you're interested.




Untrue. The twelve steps were written about 20 years prior to Bill's experiences with LSD. The 12 steps were heavily based on the Oxford group's 6 steps.

The program is now tightly bound to the legal system. Now they got institutions cramming this philosophy down everyone's throat who has a run in with the police. Be it in NA with my "narcotic" marijuana and mushrooms or AA with alcohol.

I will say that since I've had some clean time,it's allowed me to step back and take a good look at alcohol. So it has been a good lesson, but I learned this on my own by reading some philosophy and meditating.

I'm sure you have a lot of studies you could reference to that say such and such gland is improperly functioning etc. which causes people to use drugs excessively. It may have some merit, but it's obvious to me that our environment growing up had the largest influence.

I know I can tame my mind and be in control of it instead of the other way around. The mind is very plastic. If feeling that god is in control makes you feel better do that.

The problem I see is that the program makes people feel worthless and not in control of their own lives. I see those in power using the fact that the mind is so plastic to make people think this program is the way of god.

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