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alcoholism a disease palmersc 06/06/06 05:53 PM
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Re: alcoholism a disease
      06/08/06 04:21 AM

just because a group of people or an organization has devoted a name to a behavioral problem relative to societal normalcy, does not make it "proof of a disease".

AA has claimed at times that it has a 90% success rate, yet almost every study, even one internal study, by AA themselves, found no more than a 10% success rate. On average, through the life span of AA, they have a 5% success rate for "curing alchoholism", even though they themselves claim it is an "incurable disease".

I don't see why more people don't just take that pill that makes you violently ill if you drink? I garauntee that a conditioned physical aversion will work more permanently and more proficiently than "God's miraculous 12 step recovery".

Psychiatry is not a science..... mostly. Im sure there are some studies out there which are purely objective, but the greater majority of "scientific" studies regarding psychiatry/psychology use subjective and even abstract concepts as constants which can be measured against. Take for instance "attention span", great catch phrase, 4-year olds to octagenarians use it, but what is it? doesn't the term "span" denote measurement? I wonder where I can buy an attentionometer?

Often times, psychiatry ignores one of the main tenets of "scientific discovery": CAUSE AND EFFECT.

Here is a study I would like to see performed. How about we DNA test and analyze a group of 100 toddlers, find how many have the "drunk gene", make that the control group, chart their next 20-30 years of life, and see how many become alchoholics.

See, where Psychiatry really jumps the gun is that they are testing people who are already full blown drunks? after years and years of barrages of poison you will find that your chemical make-up has been altered, thus CAUSE AND EFFECT.

just like depression..... whenever you study a group of people already "afflicted" with said disease, of course you will find physical or mental similarities, that is like saying "we found that a great majority of pregnant women have stretch marks on their stomachs, therefor, being pregnant causes stretch marks"...... but that isn't the case right? it is the stretching of skin, not the insemination of an egg..... yet the two are highly LINKED, but not a CAUSE AND EFFECT of each other.

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