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How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff 12/14/22 11:36 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Kmacmo   12/15/22 01:25 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Kiwi89   12/15/22 02:39 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? larry.fisherman   12/15/22 05:01 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? BlueAndOrange   12/15/22 07:57 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Grungeman17   12/15/22 08:19 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff   12/15/22 09:02 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? BlueAndOrange   12/15/22 09:33 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? doolhoofd   12/22/22 11:16 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff   12/23/22 05:44 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? BlueAndOrange   12/23/22 05:50 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff   12/23/22 06:09 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? NorthernerM   12/23/22 06:17 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Jim I.T.I   12/24/22 08:13 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? BlueAndOrange   12/25/22 06:12 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Jim I.T.I   12/25/22 08:59 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? PancyanterA   12/25/22 08:40 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? rocky_raccoon   12/25/22 02:03 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? LewDoja   12/25/22 03:26 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? FishOilTheKid   12/25/22 04:47 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? GenericHero   12/25/22 07:14 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? pepz   12/25/22 08:43 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? GenericHero   12/26/22 09:08 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? rocky_raccoon   12/27/22 07:07 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff   12/27/22 12:09 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? BlueAndOrange   12/27/22 01:05 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? PancyanterA   12/28/22 03:58 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Blue Cthulhu   12/28/22 06:47 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? NorthernerM   12/28/22 08:19 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff   12/28/22 08:42 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/28/22 10:03 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Purple sunset   12/28/22 10:37 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? rocky_raccoon   12/29/22 05:32 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/29/22 08:28 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? PancyanterA   12/29/22 10:42 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/29/22 05:27 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Kiwi89   12/29/22 10:12 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Bardy   12/30/22 02:56 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/30/22 05:28 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Kiwi89   12/30/22 11:43 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? doolhoofd   12/30/22 05:25 PM
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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you?
      12/30/22 06:52 PM

Again, I agree with you Kiwi89. But I think I’m making a slightly separate point.
There is no correct or incorrect experience (I’m using the word experience here in place of interpretation, because I think it’s a much better fit) of the part of the visible spectrum that we call “red”.
We don’t experience red as a wavelength, we experience it as a colour. Our rods and cones are the instruments our brain uses to detect this particular wavelength, but then this data is interpreted in our brains and what follows is the experience of red.

So my point was; we may very well all experience something different when we see red, but because our experience of that colour has always been the same, and we’ve learned to call it “red”, we can all agree only on the fact that we assign the noun “red” to that particular experience.

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I do not believe that science has proven that the data is not real or is another form.




Maybe proven was too strong a word, but I do believe science points us firmly in the direction of -> Our sense interpreting/experiencing machines in our skulls aren’t perceiving nature as it truly is at the base level. I definitely lean towards thinking that Donald Hoffman’s Interface theory has some truth in it.

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If we were to take ten people and use a needle to pierce the skin on their right index finger, unless they have some nerve damage I am sure that all would agree that it produces a painful experience.




We can agree on that, but this is the same problem as the colour experience. How do we know that everyone’s experience of pain is the same?
We can all agree that we don’t like painful experiences, and that it’s best to avoid them. This provides a massive evolutionary advantage.
What we haven’t been able to figure out though, is how to tell what an individual’s experience of pain is actually like to them. They’ll be able to describe it using language and say it “burns”, or it “stings”, or it “aches”, but those are all words we’ve taught children to assign to those experiences, the same as we teach people to assign the word “red” to an experience of colour.

Having said all that though, if we could one day figure out a way of directly comparing experiences, I would not at all be surprised if we all had much the same experiences to the same stimuli. We all share the same genetics for the most part after all, and our brains all seem to function in pretty much the same way generally speaking.

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. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/30/22 08:42 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Bardy   12/30/22 09:35 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? rocky_raccoon   01/01/23 04:31 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Bardy   01/01/23 05:35 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   01/01/23 10:34 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? rocky_raccoon   01/02/23 05:31 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Kiwi89   12/30/22 06:52 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Bardy   12/30/22 06:57 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Bardy   12/30/22 07:17 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/30/22 02:58 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Kiwi89   12/30/22 11:20 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? FishOilTheKid   12/26/22 01:35 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Rikyu   12/15/22 11:36 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Aldebaran   12/15/22 01:44 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Tucky   12/15/22 02:52 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/15/22 03:23 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? flowerchild25   12/16/22 02:33 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? faithfulcrows   12/16/22 03:08 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff   12/20/22 06:17 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? NorthernerM   12/20/22 07:42 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Blue Cthulhu   12/20/22 08:00 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Shroomsandstuff   12/21/22 10:06 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? NorthernerM   12/21/22 10:36 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Blue Cthulhu   12/22/22 07:52 AM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/22/22 12:23 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? PancyanterA   12/22/22 12:48 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/22/22 01:37 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? PancyanterA   12/22/22 04:22 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? jay.ach   12/22/22 05:54 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/22/22 08:35 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Sub-Easy   12/22/22 09:19 PM
. * * Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? Inosuke   01/17/24 06:00 PM


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