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Forgive me as I've only read the OP and the last few pages, so this may have already been covered. I ended up here while searching about GWA, and found this thread very interesting.
There is another function in play when seed is allowed to soak in cool water for 12+ hours. Soaking begins the seed sprouting process. If the soak water isn't drained and rinsed periodically, the enzymes and metabolites being released by the sprouting seeds builds up and can halt the sprouting causing the seeds to die.
I believe this is the point that fermentation begins, but without salt or a low acidic environment, it's allowing undesirable pathogens to take hold, rather than the lacto-bacillus strains, so it's a very bad kind of fermentation, hence the stink from soak water.
I like to make my own fermented sauerkraut and fermented pickles, so I think fermentation is getting a bad name here. JK around everyone, I know it is still technically fermenting, whether it is good microbes or bad microbes doing the work. My guess is the bad microbes might produce even worse biologicals than lacto and other beneficial strains.
Once seed is drained and allowed to sit in jars or bags before PCing, I assume that either: the sprouting process continues, producing enzymes and metabolites that should be rinsed away; or contamination is already starting to occur, so I think it's worse than just fermentation.
A sprouting seed is always in competition with the mold and/or bacteria that is trying to eat it, but it will also continue to produce biologicals that could inhibit mycelia growth. A seed that has been killed, either by heat or by not changing the soak water, will have zero defense against any microbes, and can populate bacteria almost immediately until PCed. It does sound like allowing grain in either of those scenarios to sit for any length of time before PCing is a recipe for problems.
Back to why people sprout seeds intentionally before eating: Sprouting seeds increases the nutritional content for us, among other reasons. This link has some interesting points that are in the context of human dietary health, but I think there are some points that can be applied to mycology, including discussion about how seeds change physically upon sprouting.
https://www.reclaimoptimalhealth.com/sprout-soak-ferment/
Another common thing in edible seed sprout production, is using Azomite by adding it to the soak and rinse water. It provides trace minerals and helps raise the pH slightly. That slight rise of pH helps the sprouts ward off pathogenic infections. Incidentally enough, molds and bacteria are the most common contaminants in seed sprout production, just like in mycology. The OPs use of hydrated lime might have a similar effect as the azomite, at least in changing the pH.
Once I finish reading the rest of the thread, I might try to come up with my own test parameters to compare sprouted grains to steeped grains. I'm definitely not claiming one to be better than the other, but I am currently trying to step up everything I've been doing, including my grain prep.
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