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Let's Talk Grain Prep: The Good, The Bad and The Hardy! Josex 07/10/21 07:14 PM
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Re: Let's Talk Grain Prep: The Good, The Shitty and The Hardy!
      09/23/22 01:48 PM

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tedoro said:
Also, one could alter the amount of lime.




Finally, I tried to look into that.

I learned that Calcium Hydroxide's solubility in water is 1.89 g/L (0°C), 1.73 g/L (20°C), 0.66 g/L (100°C) (retrograde solubility, unusually decreasing with T). Natural limewater should have a pH of 12.45 at 25°C. To obtain a clear saturated solution, they weight and mix the appropriate amounts of Ca(OH)2 (in 3% excess) and water for the working temperature and then filtrate any suspended particles. So, Josex's way of doing separate steps for alkaline and heat treatment seems to make sense (traditional nixtamalization doesn't, for example).

Only the water dissolved/reacted part dissociates in Ca2+ and OH- ions, and it's the hydroxyl ion load that determines the PH of the solution and its antibiotic/cleaning/detoxing effects. Every white that you see in your lime water is undissolved Ca(OH)2 in suspension, that would eventually precipitate. Adding more hydrated lime powder to an already saturated solution won't improve anything for you. Only extra work rinsing the grain and extra water wasting.

Disinfection by Ca(OH)2 is related to the release of hydroxyl ions in an aqueous environment and its activity is probably result of damage to cytoplasmic membranes, protein denaturation and DNA damage.

I read that calcium hydroxide is slightly soluble in water, insoluble in ethanol, and soluble in glycerol, so I went checking on glycerol. It's a non-toxic, biodegradable, colorless, odorless, hygroscopic (readily taking up and retaining moisture) and sweet-tasting viscous liquid with a high solubility index in water. Glycerol plays an important role in nature and is closely linked to the life processes themselves, being a component of all living cells. They feed it to cattle, but we can eat it too.

Curiously, adding glycerol to water decreases the solution's freezing point (minimum freezing point of a 20:80 solution is –5°C, 40:60 is –15°C and 60:40 is –34°C) and simultaneously increase its boiling point (maybe useful for other operations?)(link). So to increase treatment strength you could lower the solution's temperature to increase its Ca(OH)2 loading capacity, even bellow zero (as a supercooled liquid).

I ended up finding this patent "Glycerol compositions and solutions" where one can find various interesting information: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/30/b5/4b/660873da01bfe3/US20140106008A1.pdf

The following table should refer to a 25°C working temperature:



-> Example 4 (pg.30) may have some relevance for our subject, although the mycotoxins are in solution (easier to reach than in grain), please see Table 14.

10% glycerin in water allows for double concentration of calcium hydroxide in solution (like in Ex.4); 25% glycerin allows 4+ times the strength possible in water alone. This should reduce the time needed for alkaline treatment and reduce the need of rinsing (clear solutions, no lime in suspension). I worried a bit about the resulting PH (too caustic?), but I found a study saying that when lime water had a PH of 12.40 (unstated temperature), a 50:50 glycerol:water mix measured 12.49, so I guess it's ok.

Natural lime water in open air will lose strength in 2-4 weeks, as it will react with atmospheric CO2 and form calcium carbonate (chalk) that precipitates (water solubility 14 mg/l at 20°C). It will also lose strength by reacting with the biological materials in treatment, so a little initial excess should be diluted by the end. Glycerol should stabilize and retard this processes, as when you increase the amounts of glycerol in a water-glycerol solution you'll have proportionally more CA(OH)2 dissolved in glycerol but unreacted to water, so it should act as a buffer or a battery, replacing the ion load as it's used/lost. (Thinking of it, lime in suspension could have that effect too)

I like the idea of recycling that alkaline "water" by filtering it, then keeping it in a capped glass PP or HDPE jar, then reusing it (ajdusting PH with lime powder), but I don't know if it's feasible/practical, or if it would be too contaminated(?).

I believe glycerin should be a very bio-compatible material (hopefully compatible with cubensis grow in marginal amounts). It should facilitate grain wetting and permeating during treatment, and its residues on our grain may make it a bit harder to dry after cooking.

I'd really like to hear what you guys think about this. I mean one could adapt the process described by Josex in his last post, only replacing the lime water with this "powered lime water", hopefully saving time, physical work and water bill. Hopefully, after alkaline treatment, rinsing and cooking the grain will dissolve the remaining glycerin to low enough levels for Cubensis to grow happily.

I bought half a liter of vegetable glycerin in the drugstore for 2.60€. If you don't see anything too stupid about all this, I'm trying it soon (with 10% glycerin, 12h).

I know I could just start by following the last indications from Josex (I'll gladly get back to that), but I can't unlearn what I learned and I believe this may lead to something. At least (if I got it right, and even if glycerin proves to be unfit for this purpose), we will still have learned that effective natural lime water doesn't have to be a white mess, you only need 1.67g/l of Ca(OH)2 to obtain a saturated clear solution at 25°C, so maybe it will save us some rinsing... :wink:

https://drs.illinois.edu/Page/SafetyLibrary/BasesHydroxides

Edited by SarahP (09/26/22 10:55 AM)

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