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The Great Divide (part 2)
    #6193931 - 10/21/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yesterday I spent the day up at my favorite mountain lake. Fall is the most awesome time up there. It's a big lake at over 5 miles long. Most all the people are gone and it's at it's finest. The weather was perfect , sunny and about 70 degrees with a light breeze. Totally invigorating. I have been going to this lake for the last dozen years or more. The fishing can be spectacular for large trout and small mouth bass, and so some years I have gone there at least three times a week. I often went up there when I needed to be alone or find solace. I went with my girlfriends and picked mushrooms and hiked and went through lots of changes. One of my best friends owns a resort up there and is a philosopher and writer and so we had many long discussions when business was slow. Anyway this place is important for me.

In the spirit of my last post I went up there to say goodbye to things. The resort is selling, the fishing has dropped off in recent years and I don't fish much anymore and a lot of my connections to that place are fading.

My dog and I hiked along the lake for many hours, I had the perfect music to listen to, some minor key orchestrated trance, sort of nostalgic and very trippy.

The aspen were golden, the lake bright blue, the pines green and sunlit. The meadows were full of Red tailed hawks, and osprey. There was two Bald Eagles that hung around us for at least two hours. Flocks of migrating ducks and geese were all over the lake. Red dragon flies were still around and lots of grasshoppers and all the birds that feed on them. I was in a bliss state once again.

Again I thought about death and saying goodbye. This time my previous realization kicked in and I noticed that although I had lots of memories that were pleasant and painful I didn't feel that anything needed to be different. Nothing needed to be fixed or salvaged. It all just was and I used my remembrance as a recapitulation without attachment. I realized that I was grateful for all of it. Even the painful stuff and all the half asleep and self-indulgent crap. I realized that my life was full up and I have had a good life in spite of what I have often told myself. It had always been good even though I haven't noticed it much of the time. Like the movie American Beauty I became aware that my life was complete and it didn't matter whether I was saying goodbye or hello. For that one blessed day my spirit was in balance and I was ready. :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6193937 - 10/21/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The past is already gone. Why say goodbye? Now I do like hellos, but when the farm is paid for I am ready. I understand what you are saying, and while I do have many attachments to the past my time for goodbyes to the past is over. On the other hand my goodbyes to people in my current life are still there. I want to embody the principle of treating every person as if it is the last time I will ever see them, then maybe the goodbyes will vanish there too.


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6193941 - 10/21/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I feel that my experiences lately have been leading in this very direction. :mushroom2:


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6193961 - 10/21/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Was that not your intent?


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6193997 - 10/21/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed it is. I'm getting there in my own funny way.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6194034 - 10/21/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You are just dreaming then...thats all. You are having the dream that you enjoy.


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #6194047 - 10/21/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I like enjoyable dreams. Beats the hell out of the unpleasant ones.

That'a all? That's amazing. :laugh:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6194116 - 10/21/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Living the dream, choosing the nightmare. Hm.

Its just me...


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: slaphappy]
    #6194369 - 10/21/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

slaphappy said:
Living the dream, choosing the nightmare. Hm.

Its just me...




Of course it's you. That's the big secret that so many don't see. The illusive obvious. :wink:


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6194580 - 10/21/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I find that good music helps me dream. Something very special and almost other worldly about music. Or maybe it helps you just appreciate the amazing world that's here. I find that music and  nature are a good combo.  :mushroom2:

Anyone want to go up there with me next week?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6194594 - 10/21/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

A loud clear voiceless voice once told me in a rather profound DMT trip

"Do not worry about death. You will ALWAYS be a part of this."


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Grok]
    #6194630 - 10/21/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

:mushroom2: :heart:


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
    #6194690 - 10/21/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: comcast4]
    #6194696 - 10/21/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

:confused: Explain


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6194730 - 10/21/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Death comes to us all, yet we all have different views on death. Some believing in an afterlife, some not.

We don't choose to die, just like we didn't choose to be born. Yet we are still here sharing the same experience as everyone else. Some of us live longer then others, but there isn't really a big difference just more time to experience stuff.

I'm enjoying my life as much as possible, even though death will occur I wish to live as long as I can, I enjoy it here and enjoy the friends, girlfriends. I'm glad that I have a loving mother and father who I currently still live with.

There is so much to enjoy in this life, even though it doesn't last forever.

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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Droz]
    #6194789 - 10/21/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Droz said:
There is so much to enjoy in this life, even though it doesn't last forever.


Indeed, perhaps because it doesn't last forever.  :heart:


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the most daring erotic desires,
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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Droz]
    #6194873 - 10/21/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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We don't choose to die, just like we didn't choose to be born.




I wouldn't be so sure of that!

You can choose to die. Spontaneously, if you fully and truly want it.

IMO everything choose to be what it is. The entire universe included. Do you really think you would be here now if you didn't want to be?


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Grok]
    #6195334 - 10/21/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

What I can rationally say is that when I die, it is a mystery what will happen. Some can believe in an afterlife, but no one can say its a fact, because its a belief, that isn't derived from any observable fact. For all I know everything can be very impermant, In fact I already know it is even if there is an afterlife.

Because if there is an afterlife it won't be the same life as we're living now. So it is true in a sense and it does annoy me to see time wasted, seeing other peoples time wasted. Thinking "hey there maybe an afterlife", but you can't depend on an unknown variable, in your death. I don't know death until I experience it. Until then I can only speculate the nature of my existence. I think to a certain degree it is true for everyone. Some people maybe more confident but is there really any experience in life that can really assimulate death. No, so therefore, the afterlife to me can not be counted on.

Time is of the essense and trippers must realize when the talk is over and the trip must not stall. Which means I have no time for small talk, and no time for slow runners.


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: capliberty]
    #6195402 - 10/21/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

That was a great post. Truly we should not use the possibility of an afterlife as an excuse to not live.

"Death is the only wise adviser that we have. Whenever you feel, as you always do, that everything is going wrong and you're about to be annihilated, turn to your death and ask if that is so. Your death will tell you that you're wrong; that nothing really matters outside its touch. Your death will tell you, 'I haven't touched you yet.'" --Carlos Castaneda


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Re: The Great Divide (part 2) [Re: Icelander]
    #6196660 - 10/22/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Its like right there man infront of my eyes like, you know, aaaawe.

:laugh:

Life is one big long song. :]


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