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elsig
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Another kind of Caapi (Tetrapteris methystica )
#6079042 - 09/19/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello everybordy. I am looking for any further info on this specie, either its book referances, weburls, pictures, experiences, what you have heard and so on. If anyone can provide a source for seeds or live plants that would be more than fantastic that its worth a reward. These are my notes on the plants so far, sorry the superscripts used but I write these notes in my journal this way and only copy and paste it now
Tetrapteris methystica
From Golden Guide ( http://www.zauberpilz.com/golden/g101-110.htm ) ANOTHER KIND OF CAAPI is prepared from Tetrapteris methistica, a forest vine also belonging to the family Malpighioceae. One group of Maku Indians of the northwesternmost part of the Brazilian Amazon prepares a cold-water drink from the bark. There is no other plant ingredient. The drink is very bitter and has an unusual yellow hue. This may be the " second kind" of caapi mentioned by several explorers as caapi-pinima, meaning "painted caapi." Although T. methystica produces effects identical with those of Banisteriopsis caapi, we still know nothing of its chemistry. However, it is closely related to Banisteriopsis and there is every probability that similar or identical alkaloids are present. There are 90 species of Tetrapteris - vines and small trees found throughout the humid American tropics.
Tetrapteris methystica
Several writers - notably Spruce and the German anthropologist Koch-Groënberg - mention more than one "kind" of caapi in the Vaupes basin. It was my good fortune in 1948 to be able to witness the preparation of, and to take a narcotic drink along an affluent of the Rio Tikie in north-westernmost Brazil. Specimens taken from a flowering vine, from the bark of which a coldwater infusion was made without the admixture of any other plants, were found to represent an undescribed species of a malpighiaceous genus closely allied to Banisteriopsis - Tetrapteris methystica.
The beverage prepared from Tetrapteris methystica was a yellowish hue, quite unlike the coffee-brown colour characteristic of all preparations of Banisteriopsis Caapi which I have seen.
A small amount of stem material for chemical study that I gathered from the wild vine from which the type material came was lost in the overturning of my canoe. Consequently, nothing is known chemically of this kind of caapi. That it is highly intoxicating, with effects very like those induced by Banisteriopsis, I can vouch from self-experimentation.
An important point in this connexion is worth considering. Tetrapteris methystica may represent the second "kind" of caapi mentioned by Spruce and Koch-Groënberg, and it might be that the epithet caapi-pinima (" painted caapi ") alludes not to the painted leaves but to the unusual yellowish hue of the drink prepared from it[ source: http://www.biopark.org/peru/schultes-ayahuasca.html ] Teltrapteris methystica - Caapi-pinima Tetrapteris methystica, A single plant ayahuasca brew? [req membership] tetrapterys methystica search
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felixhigh
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Re: Another kind of Caapi (Tetrapteris methystica ) [Re: elsig]
#6079455 - 09/19/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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it would be nice indeed to grow some of these and to find out what is it´s chemical composition. unfortunately, i really doubt you´ll find anyone with experience on this plant on this board or in other message boards around the web. i realize a field trip would be the only way to get in touch with it since no supplier or vendor that i know works with it. good luck!
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Re: Another kind of Caapi (Tetrapteris methystica ) [Re: felixhigh]
#6081292 - 09/20/06 05:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes that is pretty much what i expected. but you never know, some years ago everyone told me the same about chaliponga and now I have one growing so I will not give up, I have some friends in Brazil that I contacted yesterday about this specie maybe they figure our something.
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Re: Another kind of Caapi (Tetrapteris methystica ) [Re: elsig]
#6081329 - 09/20/06 06:25 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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well i live in Brazil too! but the northwest, where this plant grows, is a very isolated region and there are Colombian guerrilla (FARC) in the area so even if you have the money to make a trip after the plant it is still not that easy, it would be a real adventure, many people get kidnapped by the guerrilla. i would be a bit wary of going there without knowing anyone in that area...
FH
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Re: Another kind of Caapi (Tetrapteris methystica ) [Re: felixhigh]
#6081367 - 09/20/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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i see. time for the indiana jones hat and whip and out on adventure then lol. well, i guess i cant have anything my way but it would have been a nice addition to my ayawaska garden. Maybe in the future things changes in that area so it would be posible to collect speciements there. .
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