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Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms * 1
    #28619539 - 01/13/24 09:29 AM (15 days, 3 hours ago)

I grow Penis Envy in two tubs.
Both from the same mycelium syringe

The first tub produced a few blobs and looked like Penis Envy.



but the second flush produced only normal cube looking mushrooms. No blobs.



The second tub is now in its first flush and the mushrooms don't look like penis envy at all. No blobs






Have the normal cube looking PE the potency of PE or only the blobs?


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: ShroomKayak]
    #28619789 - 01/13/24 01:34 PM (14 days, 23 hours ago)

Bump

Curious as to how this is possible


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: ShroomKayak]
    #28619809 - 01/13/24 01:45 PM (14 days, 23 hours ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/286

Mushroom genetics is very complex. A culture of mushroom mycelium contains multiple sets of genes that can be expressed in different ways depending on things like environmental factors and random genetic mating between mushroom hyphae at the microscopic level. Like when a female cat has a litter of kittens, you can have multiple kittens with multiple coat patterns and colors. Its a similar concept for mushroom genetics.

This is why its a good idea to clone fruits onto agar as you can preserve a phenotype you want (such as PE fruits) to be passed onto the next culture you make from that cloned fruit.


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28619828 - 01/13/24 02:00 PM (14 days, 22 hours ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/286

Mushroom genetics is very complex. A culture of mushroom mycelium contains multiple sets of genes that can be expressed in different ways depending on things like environmental factors and random genetic mating between mushroom hyphae at the microscopic level. Like when a female cat has a litter of kittens, you can have multiple kittens with multiple coat patterns and colors. Its a similar concept for mushroom genetics.

This is why its a good idea to clone fruits onto agar as you can preserve a phenotype you want (such as PE fruits) to be passed onto the next culture you make from that cloned fruit.





Thanks
I bought the mycelium syringe from a vendor and expected it to be a clone ?

So would cloning a PE phenotype fruit from this tubs not result in the same outcome and It's possible to get normal cube looking fruits from the PE clone?


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: ShroomKayak] * 1
    #28619845 - 01/13/24 02:10 PM (14 days, 22 hours ago)

Thanks

I guess I just assumed strains are cloned and isolated multiple times before spores are released and genetic variation wasn't that extreme to vary between tubs or flushes

Not all of a sudden all change normal looking

I could see a random patch or mushroom to be different, that's how you find your clone usually unless your working with agar first


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: ShroomKayak]
    #28619878 - 01/13/24 02:37 PM (14 days, 22 hours ago)

Mine did the same thing.  Mostly whites in one cake, mostly the brown topped phenotype in the other.  I’m thinking that since PE or PEU is a cross with an albino, they’ll just tend to express that way, either or.  Kind of like cats from the same litter being diff colors.  Gene expression is a cool deal.


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28619888 - 01/13/24 02:47 PM (14 days, 22 hours ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/286

Mushroom genetics is very complex. A culture of mushroom mycelium contains multiple sets of genes that can be expressed in different ways depending on things like environmental factors and random genetic mating between mushroom hyphae at the microscopic level. Like when a female cat has a litter of kittens, you can have multiple kittens with multiple coat patterns and colors. Its a similar concept for mushroom genetics.

This is why its a good idea to clone fruits onto agar as you can preserve a phenotype you want (such as PE fruits) to be passed onto the next culture you make from that cloned fruit.





Holy shit, LLC.  I commented before I read all of the other replies.  That’s just fuckin cool. 
Or I’m a plagiarist and a liar.  Who can say?


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: DonnaDarko]
    #28619930 - 01/13/24 03:26 PM (14 days, 21 hours ago)

Whoa, thats a trip!

Are you psychic? :eek:


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28619941 - 01/13/24 03:35 PM (14 days, 21 hours ago)

Must be using my listenin’ ears.


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms (this time around....) [Re: DonnaDarko]
    #28620113 - 01/13/24 06:59 PM (14 days, 17 hours ago)

Those ears will grow stronger in the Future :cool2:

OP: Some companies are really good at isolating their genetics, while others not so much so this seemingly-random phenotype expression seems to occur when a "strain" isnt stabilized.


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms (this time around....) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28621076 - 01/14/24 01:54 PM (13 days, 22 hours ago)

I was able to get a good spore print from a non PE looking fruit.



Will growing from this spore print make a difference to spores from normal cubes?
Higher chance to get a PE pheno out of it?


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms (this time around....) [Re: ShroomKayak] * 2
    #28621147 - 01/14/24 02:46 PM (13 days, 22 hours ago)

I would most certainly hope it has a better chance of a PE phenotype than a different cubensis since it was grown from a PE with a more regular cube phenotype

That should be your next project. Grow your MS and look for a PE phenotype to clone

Might be a good idea to take a few prints for the future just in case or to trade

It's hard to say if it will have the exact same traits like potency though just because it has the look.


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Re: Penis Envy - only normal looking mushrooms (this time around....) [Re: ShroomKayak]
    #28621644 - 01/14/24 11:42 PM (13 days, 13 hours ago)

^HelloImBob nailed it :thumbup:


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