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tree frog
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Anyone else study Yogacara and Systems Sciences?
#28613723 - 01/08/24 06:56 AM (20 days, 6 hours ago) |
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I've been studying yogacara for about eight years though a lot of it didn't make much sense to me until about 9 months ago when I had a DMT breakthrough and had the direct experience of 'mind only'. The sense that the DMT 'elves' were mind constructing a map of reality and that's why everything always seemed alive on DMT, because I was looking at reality through the lens of consiousness, a living breathing process.
Anyway, now I'm looking at systems science and extrapolating Western language onto Yogacara and I'm starting to see some interesting things.
Eye consciousness I can map onto the visual cortex. I can do this directly in meditation and relax certain reoccuring closed eye visuals. Last night, for example. I came to the insight that the reoccuring mushroom visuals I was having was a sort of muscle memory in the mind. My visual cortex has been trained to look for mushrooms and does so even when my eyes are closed.
From here I was able to watch for the dopamine reward cycle to cease through a combination of annapanasati practice, simple calm abiding (just being), and some dry insight work (these processes were all done at various points during the sit).
When it did, eye consciousness let go of the mushroom visuals and they haven't rearisin. Though I imagine they will soon enough as I'm still growing mushrooms and will soon re-habituat eye consciousness to look for them.
Anyway, just curious if anyone else is into yogacara and/or systems sciences as it relates to human psychology/sociology and wanted to start a conversation to hear about other people's personal experiences and thoughts
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redgreenvines
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Re: Anyone else study Yogacara and Systems Sciences? [Re: tree frog]
#28613764 - 01/08/24 07:43 AM (20 days, 5 hours ago) |
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hello
everything I know is from correlation of experiences in annapanasati - simple breathing meditation.
the system of mind is a continuum - beginners mind: restarting ~10x per second approximately.
sensation + perception (from memory) + associative memory formation. ☯
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Re: Anyone else study Yogacara and Systems Sciences? [Re: redgreenvines]
#28614794 - 01/09/24 04:58 AM (19 days, 8 hours ago) |
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Yeah, annapanasati has been really helpful. I started practicing using Bhikkhu Analayo's recordings last year and can now hit one pointedness (and have a better understanding of one pointedness) consistently. According to Analayo, one pontedness is boundless awareness, which again was something I first experienced on DMT.
Learning a lot practicing with the fourth tetrad. Using the contemplation of cessation to unbind dopamine reward cycles in eye consciousness the other night was interesting and unexpected.
And when I turned the contemplation of cessation around on the observer, the core fell out of awareness.
Both yogacara and systems science serve as maps for me. Or rather, yogacara is the map and systems science helps my Western brain translate the map. See things like conditioning from the point of view of dopamine rewards for example (mental muscle memory?)
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redgreenvines
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Re: Anyone else study Yogacara and Systems Sciences? [Re: tree frog]
#28614826 - 01/09/24 05:45 AM (19 days, 7 hours ago) |
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use what seems useful to you from it. I am no longer steeped in the terms or numerically ordered lists that are used as mnemonics for meditation students. but I am still a student of meditation, on my own, which is to say I have adopted the practice but not the ideology or lineage.
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