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Co2 levels DROPPED. 1
#28607242 - 01/02/24 02:46 PM (25 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Hey guys,
I put my 3lb grow bag into my fruiting chamber 3 days ago.
Here are the environmental specs...
- 91-97% RH Manual misting on walls, and auto mister in case I miss a mist. - LED Light 6000k under cabinet light on the box. - Aquarium pump putting air into a glass of water inside the box for FAE. - 75F - 76F regulated with a heating pad on the bottom of my tub, the grow bag is 2 inches above the mat with a cookie drying sheet inside the box.
Mycelium was strong, producing well over 2000PPM Co2 to the point where it was hard to manage. I got it down to 850ish after a day of tinkering.
Since that day, the CO2 production has hit the floor, and I see no growth in the mycelium of any type. I shut off FAE and it's barely doing 50PPM an hour if that.
Are my mushies dead in the water?
There's no contams from what I can tell, everything looks healthy.
I also moved to the fruiting chamber before any pinning. Mycelium was about 95% ish colonized and I got impatient. you can only see small flecks of substrate here and there. Stupid
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Hello, do you have any pictures to share with us? Would make some of us be able to help you better. What are you using for a chamber?
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you are overworking and overcomplicating it. C02 shouldn't be a concern or even monitored in cubes for a newer grower or at all. They will grow different based on c02 levels but they will almost always grow. Better 99% humidity high c02 and skinny tall mushrooms , then low c02 low Rh and no mushrooms. You are drying and hydrating but never regaining proper saturation with the method you are going . It upsets the balance of rh and mycelium
You can go straight to fruiting conditions when spawning to bulk. That's the common method nowadays. PASSIVE GAS exchange not a breeze.
it will fruit when it has colonized enough and is happy.
What guide are you following? Did you come up with the air pump idea?
Monitor c02 for grows like oysters or other gourmets that you want big fat fruits that normally grow on the side of trees. and suck up oxygen like its water.
and if you set things up right you don't mist. Certainly not as much as needing it multiple times a day on timer.
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/02/24 02:59 PM)
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Why are you misting the walls? Mycelium doesn't grow on the walls.
IF and when you mist you mist the cakes not the tote.
Also forget the glass of water put about an inch of water in the bottom and leave your bubbler in that and just raise the cakes off the bottom.
Edited by RockinRobot (01/02/24 02:59 PM)
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RockinRobot said: Why are you misting the walls? Mycelium doesn't grow on the walls.
IF and when you mist you mist the cakes not the tote.
I have read that heavy direct misting can create pooling water on the surface of the mycelium and cause serious issues. I mist the walls and lightly spray over the top of the mycelium with an ultra-fine mister just once every time I spray to get small pearls on the surface of it. Is this bad practice?
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The way you're misting your cakes is fine. No need to mist your walls as well.
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Silentraindrops said: you are overworking and overcomplicating it. C02 shouldn't be a concern or even monitored in cubes for a newer grower or at all. They will grow different based on c02 levels but they will almost always grow. Better 99% humidity high c02 and skinny tall mushrooms , then low c02 low Rh and no mushrooms. You are drying and hydrating but never regaining proper saturation with the method you are going . It upsets the balance of rh and mycelium
You can go straight to fruiting conditions when spawning to bulk. That's the common method nowadays. PASSIVE GAS exchange not a breeze.
it will fruit when it has colonized enough and is happy.
What guide are you following? Did you come up with the air pump idea?
Monitor c02 for grows like oysters or other gourmets that you want big fat fruits that normally grow on the side of trees. and suck up oxygen like its water.
and if you set things up right you don't mist. Certainly not as much as needing it multiple times a day on timer.
To get Co2 PPM I have had to increase the FAE, which causes things to dry out faster, so multiple misting are needed every day. Should I just let the box gas up so RH is constantly optimal?
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I think you are aproaching this like a plant. We are growing mushrooms by creating a hydrated substrate/ block of mycelium at the start. Letting the evaporation from said hydrated sub to raise the Humidity in the chamber/tub we are growing in to 99% *rough estimate* so it Slows evap and creates a static ideal climate for mushrooms to grow. while maintain just enough Fae without loosing said climate. And if we can increase FAE further by modifying variables without having to add daily moisture ....
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Silentraindrops said: you are overworking and overcomplicating it. C02 shouldn't be a concern or even monitored in cubes for a newer grower or at all. They will grow different based on c02 levels but they will almost always grow. Better 99% humidity high c02 and skinny tall mushrooms , then low c02 low Rh and no mushrooms. You are drying and hydrating but never regaining proper saturation with the method you are going . It upsets the balance of rh and mycelium
You can go straight to fruiting conditions when spawning to bulk. That's the common method nowadays. PASSIVE GAS exchange not a breeze.
it will fruit when it has colonized enough and is happy.
What guide are you following? Did you come up with the air pump idea?
Monitor c02 for grows like oysters or other gourmets that you want big fat fruits that normally grow on the side of trees. and suck up oxygen like its water.
and if you set things up right you don't mist. Certainly not as much as needing it multiple times a day on timer.
To get Co2 PPM I have had to increase the FAE, which causes things to dry out faster, so multiple misting are needed every day. Should I just let the box gas up so RH is constantly optimal?
i wrote a answer above about c02. you are fixating on a issue that really is over exaggerated as a issue . C02 levels are rarely hard to fix or a problem among the teks on this forum. People drying out from to much fae . or overhydrating the cakes is more common *waterlog surface*.
the cakes are hydrophobic to some degree its not easy without dunking /soaking to hydrate .
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Silentraindrops said: I think you are aproaching this like a plant. We are growing mushrooms by creating a hydrated substrate/ block of mycelium at the start. Letting the evaporation from said hydrated sub to raise the Humidity in the chamber/tub we are growing in to 99% *rough estimate* so it Slows evap and creates a static ideal climate for mushrooms to grow. while maintain just enough Fae without loosing said climate. And if we can increase FAE further by modifying variables without having to add daily moisture ....
I see, the growing chamber is much larger than the mycelium because I wanted room for more in the future, this is a test run. I probably should have went with a hoodie tek method and left the plastic on the bag to maintain a better RH. Ill upload a photo shortly so you understand.
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Re: Co2 levels DROPPED. [Re: Semechki]
#28607280 - 01/02/24 03:12 PM (25 days, 9 hours ago) |
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Semechki said: Hello, do you have any pictures to share with us? Would make some of us be able to help you better. What are you using for a chamber?
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Silentraindrops said: I think you are aproaching this like a plant. We are growing mushrooms by creating a hydrated substrate/ block of mycelium at the start. Letting the evaporation from said hydrated sub to raise the Humidity in the chamber/tub we are growing in to 99% *rough estimate* so it Slows evap and creates a static ideal climate for mushrooms to grow. while maintain just enough Fae without loosing said climate. And if we can increase FAE further by modifying variables without having to add daily moisture ....
I see, the growing chamber is much larger than the mycelium because I wanted room for more in the future, this is a test run. I probably should have went with a hoodie tek method and left the plastic on the bag to maintain a better RH. Ill upload a photo shortly so you understand.
are you trying to do a automated grow chamber/ martha tent. that is a whole ball game of not recommended stuff. you will struggle endlessly going at it blind. Cubes won't benfit much if at all .
I have a tent *works for cubes* but i set up with intentions of gorumets* and i know a guide that saved my bacon. SIde by side my DIALED *dialed* tent vs a Unmodified tub . The tub will win flush 1 loose the rest *if i dont dunk*. Meaning yields are nearly the same.
Edit . This article explains what you need for a automated setup. and why controlling a smaller chamber/ micro environment by reading c02 and humidity is basically the hardest thing you can possibly do and smaller size is actually a thing that raises the difficulty greatly. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27993602/page/2
Edited by Silentraindrops (01/02/24 03:16 PM)
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Silentraindrops said: I think you are aproaching this like a plant. We are growing mushrooms by creating a hydrated substrate/ block of mycelium at the start. Letting the evaporation from said hydrated sub to raise the Humidity in the chamber/tub we are growing in to 99% *rough estimate* so it Slows evap and creates a static ideal climate for mushrooms to grow. while maintain just enough Fae without loosing said climate. And if we can increase FAE further by modifying variables without having to add daily moisture ....
I see, the growing chamber is much larger than the mycelium because I wanted room for more in the future, this is a test run. I probably should have went with a hoodie tek method and left the plastic on the bag to maintain a better RH. Ill upload a photo shortly so you understand.
are you trying to do a automated grow chamber/ martha tent. that is a whole ball game of not recommended stuff. you will struggle endlessly going at it blind. Cubes won't benfit much if at all .
I have a tent *works for cubes* but i set up with intentions of gorumets* and i know a guide that saved my bacon. SIde by side my DIALED *dialed* tent vs a Unmodified tub . The tub will win flush 1 loose the rest *if i dont dunk*. Meaning yields are nearly the same.
I Just overthink everything and want all the parameters perfect. If I played MTG I would play a blue control deck every time. I included a pic.
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Silentraindrops said: I think you are aproaching this like a plant. We are growing mushrooms by creating a hydrated substrate/ block of mycelium at the start. Letting the evaporation from said hydrated sub to raise the Humidity in the chamber/tub we are growing in to 99% *rough estimate* so it Slows evap and creates a static ideal climate for mushrooms to grow. while maintain just enough Fae without loosing said climate. And if we can increase FAE further by modifying variables without having to add daily moisture ....
I see, the growing chamber is much larger than the mycelium because I wanted room for more in the future, this is a test run. I probably should have went with a hoodie tek method and left the plastic on the bag to maintain a better RH. Ill upload a photo shortly so you understand.
are you trying to do a automated grow chamber/ martha tent. that is a whole ball game of not recommended stuff. you will struggle endlessly going at it blind. Cubes won't benfit much if at all .
I have a tent *works for cubes* but i set up with intentions of gorumets* and i know a guide that saved my bacon. SIde by side my DIALED *dialed* tent vs a Unmodified tub . The tub will win flush 1 loose the rest *if i dont dunk*. Meaning yields are nearly the same.
I Just overthink everything and want all the parameters perfect. If I played MTG I would play a blue control deck every time. I included a pic.
i understand but i'm telling you now forging new ground after 20 +years of people figuring this out . Good luck. There is tons of info to do it but you have to first understand the basics behind what you are doing. and the cycles between evaporation condensation and the effects on moisture at a sub surface level.
I did add a edit to a previous post
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Yeah, seems like I'm trying to reinvent the wheel. Ill play with this setup as a hobby, but I think I will try a more mainstream method on the next run. Thank you for the help.
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I would just suggest you switch to a normal Water tub and lose all of the electronics minus the thermometer and light.
Paying attention to CO2 levels and humidity percentages isn't needed. Pumping in air doesn't help and might dry it out. A heating pad can dry stuff out or promote bacterial growth. A water tub is automated to the point where you check it once a day.
Cubes will grow fine as long as you are comfortable in the room. Low 70s is ideal but growth in the 60s is reasonable.
Edit: Wait, are these bags still closed?
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Re: Co2 levels DROPPED. [Re: Way]
#28608556 - 01/03/24 02:59 PM (24 days, 10 hours ago) |
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Way said: I would just suggest you switch to a normal Water tub and lose all of the electronics minus the thermometer and light.
Paying attention to CO2 levels and humidity percentages isn't needed. Pumping in air doesn't help and might dry it out. A heating pad can dry stuff out or promote bacterial growth. A water tub is automated to the point where you check it once a day.
Cubes will grow fine as long as you are comfortable in the room. Low 70s is ideal but growth in the 60s is reasonable.
Edit: Wait, are these bags still closed?
So maybe this is stupid, but I added a gallon of water under the cookie sheet in my box and it created about an inch or so of water. The RH has been 97% all day today and last night. This may be the solution for me.
Co2 has been at a steady 550PPM all day as well.
Edited by crazydaydreamer (01/03/24 03:00 PM)
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You should start another grow and do literally nothing to it besides maybe poke a couple needle holes in the bag when it’s colonized and compare it with what you’ve got going now
It’ll save you a lot of time, money and effort in the future along with producing more mushrooms faster, and once you’ve done it both ways you’ll know you’re not missing out on anything by not doing all the fancy stuff.
The number one thing I’ve found over and over again with mushrooms is keep it as simple as possible and then leave it alone.
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Re: Co2 levels DROPPED. [Re: A.k.a]
#28608841 - 01/03/24 06:58 PM (24 days, 6 hours ago) |
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A.k.a said: You should start another grow and do literally nothing to it besides maybe poke a couple needle holes in the bag when it’s colonized and compare it with what you’ve got going now
It’ll save you a lot of time, money and effort in the future along with producing more mushrooms faster, and once you’ve done it both ways you’ll know you’re not missing out on anything by not doing all the fancy stuff.
The number one thing I’ve found over and over again with mushrooms is keep it as simple as possible and then leave it alone.
I have 2 other bags staged to be ready by next week. I'll try that. Thank you.
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Edited by crazydaydreamer (01/03/24 06:58 PM)
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