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Sleep
    #28592336 - 12/21/23 06:08 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

I keep waking up around 3 am and I am wide awake. I gas out around 7 and fall asleep before 9.
Why????
Why can't I stay asleep?


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Re: Sleep [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28592489 - 12/21/23 08:45 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

Going through the same exact thing. To be fair im on 3 mg suboxone a day split between 3x 1 mg doses. Trying to come off it. Idk if its related. I was down to 2 mg daily but went back up to 3 to try fixing the sleep issue but no dice.

Why god whyyyy?


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Re: Sleep [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #28592524 - 12/21/23 09:10 AM (1 month, 7 days ago)

It sucks
I like the solitude but i love sleeping
My friend is detoxing right now
I feel for him


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Re: Sleep [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #28592841 - 12/21/23 02:38 PM (1 month, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I keep waking up around 3 am and I am wide awake. I gas out around 7 and fall asleep before 9.
Why????
Why can't I stay asleep?




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep

Sounds like you're doing what nature intended.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20170517/History-of-sleep-what-was-normal.aspx

Used to be that people would go to bed at sunset, wake up in the middle of the night to pray/have sex/hang out/check for danger/whatever, then go back to sleep to wake with the sunrise. Modern electric lighting solved all that bullshit by allowing us to stay awake past sunset (and still accomplish things), leaving us with a single (and less efficient) block of sleep.

Ah, the comforts of modern life.


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Re: Sleep [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28593756 - 12/22/23 07:36 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
I keep waking up around 3 am and I am wide awake. I gas out around 7 and fall asleep before 9.
Why????
Why can't I stay asleep?




maybe you have sleep apnea
do you sleep with mouth open?
have headaches, dry mouth when you wake up?
toss and turn?
maybe you should get a sleep study done
it could be one of the most important things you ever do for yourself


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Re: Sleep [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28593805 - 12/22/23 08:12 AM (1 month, 6 days ago)

I slept from 9pm to 4am
I had neck surgery years ago
Sometimes pain wakes me up
Normally i just wake up
I think its stress
But unsure


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Re: Sleep [Re: loladoreen]
    #28609343 - 01/04/24 10:13 AM (24 days, 2 hours ago)

Do you feel well-rested the next day? If you do, then it shouldn't be a big problem.  Maybe a small inconvenience.

I wake up kind of early these days, between 5 and 6 AM or so.  It doesn't bother me, in fact I think it's kind of nice cause I am able to get things done.


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Re: Sleep [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28609406 - 01/04/24 11:42 AM (24 days, 1 hour ago)

Not well rested but not tired.
I burn out around 7pm


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Re: Sleep [Re: loladoreen]
    #28612530 - 01/07/24 02:48 AM (21 days, 10 hours ago)

If I wake up at 3 or 4 I just get up these days. Stuff laying in bed tossing and turning. Get stuck into doing some stuff I want to, read some books and listen to some tunes. My mind is actually really switched on then and it seems like a great time to learn stuff as well.


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Re: Sleep [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #28612542 - 01/07/24 03:14 AM (21 days, 9 hours ago)

Nicotine does that to me, caffeine contributes, but if I'm not on nicotine, with caffeine either I just can't sleep or not, but on nicotine, my sleep is in two, three, four hour sessions, up and napping.

When I'm meditating more and habitually cleaner, I usually don't need more than four hours sleep in a day, and maybe one day a week with long sleep. Exercise will bring good sleep.


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Re: Sleep [Re: syncro]
    #28613537 - 01/08/24 01:05 AM (20 days, 12 hours ago)

For the last maybe 5 years, at least.... my sleep patterns are odd.  A lot of it is because I just stay up too late reading, or occasionally listening to podcasts.

I wake at 6-6:30am, M-F for work.... but going to bed before 2am is rare on those nights.  More usually it is 3am, or often 4am or a little after.  By 8am I am at work.  I am so used to it, that I don't feel very tired during the day.  Often though, by 2:30pm I feel extremely tired, but it passes.  Sometimes I will get home and take a nap from 5-7pm or so, if I am not busy with errands or childrens' sports activity. Then I will fix dinner for us, and do things around home, have conversations with my children, start reading news, or listening to something.  I haven't watched much TV or movies in years.. over 10 at least. 

Some nights, I will not sleep at all.  Maybe a few times per month, I will just splash water on my face at 5 or 6am and go in to work.  By evening on those days, I usually have a nap, sometimes until after 8 or 9pm, and then stay awake until 3 or 4am again.  Not always though. Usually, the idea of craving my bed will pass, and I'll just stay up as usual. I have worked 2nd shift and graveyard shift for periods of time in the past.... it always would take me a long time to wind down after getting home from work between 12am and 2am.... I would always listen to Coast to Coast until 4am, then sleep until 10 or 11am usually.... even as a kid and a teenager, I would often stay up very late, sometimes until sunrise.... and if unable to stay in bed and sleep, I would go about the day. I remember many times, when I was 6 and 7, I would sneak out of bed and watch Nick at Night until 2 or 4 am then go to sleep, and get up for school soon after.... more often though, back then and into my early teens, I would sleep from 10pm until 5 or 6am.  For a period of time, about 7 or 8 years ago, I would go to sleep at about 11pm, and having no car, get up at 3am and walk to the labor hall which was 4 miles away so I could be there by 5:30 and get sent out for work. 

Thankfully those days are behind me, but it makes me realize, I've not ever really prioritized my sleep, even though I love it so much.  I crave it sometimes, but for a long time it was miserable to experience the nightmares, and it all just helped to form my regular 2-4hrs sleep per night habits I have now. 

Usually by the weekend, it catches up to me.  If I don't have weekend plans, on Saturday and Sunday I sometimes sleep from between 3-5am until 1 or 2pm.  Sometimes I wake at 10am on a Saturday, and think I will go ahead and get another hour or 2 sleep, then I wake at 3pm and am aggravated that I've wasted the whole day.

There have been work-weeks where I have gotten 6-8 hours of sleep, the entire week. The only stimulants involved by the way are coffee and nicotine, in case anyone was wondering.

I think when my horrible sleep patterns really started, I was going through some problems with my relationship, and then ending the relationship, over a 2 year period.  I would be so angry or upset that I couldn't sleep.... I'd just lay there .... I had very intense nightmares for a year after it ended, and even occasionally still.  I also had 3 or 4 experiences of sleep paralysis during that time.... if that's what we want to refer to it as. It was horrifying.  It seemed very real, and dark... to the point that I thought it was a demonic attack.  Perhaps it was. I considered it as such for a long time.  now, 2-4hrs of sleep per night has become something I am used to.  I have trouble falling asleep any earlier than 2am.  I don't even feel like getting into bed then.  Again, nowadays, I spend too much late hours reading.... news, history, medical related, political related.... many things have me very concerned, and I find myself having trouble putting it down at night.. and the time flies by quickly.  After 11pm, 3am seems to come very fast.

I believe I need to change these sleep habits.  I miss the patterns of my youth, when 11pm seemed late.... and I know my body needs more rest, or at least some kind of regularity.  My productivity outside of work needs to improve.  I don't ever feel like doing anything around here to fix things anymore.... I don't ever want to be sociable either, aside from coworkers.  I feel isolated most of the time, but can usually pretend otherwise.  I can be quite personable, but my self esteem and spirit has changed over the last decade to where I just want to be left alone with the exception of my children, even though that kind of isolation makes me feel worse. 

I think I might need some counseling or something for some of it.  I'm just at a loss sometimes, and as I get closer to age 40, I am realizing I must make some changes before I really do some damage.  Also, need some self discipline to stop reading so late into the night. 

I followed link above posted by Kryptos, a part of which mention Buckminister Fuller, and his proposed sleep cycle of having a 30 minute nap every 6 hours.... that sounds horrible.... but it may be more manageable than what I have been doing for such a long time now.

I could do much better on it if I cultivate better self discipline on the time I spend late at night.  Going to work on it.  Here it is 2am now and I still need to take a shower before I get in bed.... I better get to it.

Best of wishes for you OP, and others.


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