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A New Theory for the DMT Entities? 2
#28430478 - 08/12/23 01:58 AM (5 months, 14 days ago) |
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I believe I have a new theory (maybe old?) for what the DMT entities are:
First, a story about my day: I had a really interesting day today. First, it started out with a strange, intense dream about being on a bus and making sure I make it to the correct spot (a stress i usually feel only in Vegas). Then we talked briefly about Purple and his recent change of behaviour. And then soon after that, Cosmic sends some ominous, spooky statements about whats going on in his personal life. At work, I read that last comment by Cosmic, then my co-worker told me that our Supervisor just gave a long-winded conversation about wanting to motivate us. And when he told me that, i got this Synchronicity Vertigo, like that zoom in-move back sensation with slight room spinning. It was such a "wakenening experience" where I was suddenly very aware of my surrounds and the strange string-of-events that happened during the day. Then, my co-worker friend Brandon (who I believe is from my Soul Group), were chatting about far-out stuff like I mentioned that I am really into KPOP, and sometimes Korean sounds like English and that I theorize that I had a past reincarnation in South Korea. Right after I said that, he said this statement that really blew my mind: "What if ideas are living? What if they need our thoughts to stay alive?". I was like "Whoa, thats wild man!". What if thoughts work like that? What if ideas were actually living things, that exist in another dimension that we cannot perceive? What if the entities seen on DMT and Shrooms are those "living" ideas that can only be perceived during a Psychedelic Experience?
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#28430513 - 08/12/23 03:40 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I believe I have a new theory (maybe old?) for what the DMT entities are:
First, a story about my day: I had a really interesting day today. First, it started out with a strange, intense dream about being on a bus and making sure I make it to the correct spot (a stress i usually feel only in Vegas). Then we talked briefly about Purple and his recent change of behaviour. And then soon after that, Cosmic sends some ominous, spooky statements about whats going on in his personal life. At work, I read that last comment by Cosmic, then my co-worker told me that our Supervisor just gave a long-winded conversation about wanting to motivate us. And when he told me that, i got this Synchronicity Vertigo, like that zoom in-move back sensation with slight room spinning. It was such a "wakenening experience" where I was suddenly very aware of my surrounds and the strange string-of-events that happened during the day. Then, my co-worker friend Brandon (who I believe is from my Soul Group), were chatting about far-out stuff like I mentioned that I am really into KPOP, and sometimes Korean sounds like English and that I theorize that I had a past reincarnation in South Korea. Right after I said that, he said this statement that really blew my mind: "What if ideas are living? What if they need our thoughts to stay alive?". I was like "Whoa, thats wild man!". What if thoughts work like that? What if ideas were actually living things, that existed in another dimension that we cannot perceive? What if the entities seen on DMT and Shrooms are those "living" ideas that can only be perceived during a Psychedelic Experience?
How about if they are suppressed parts of you. Your "personal demons" or even your personal "spirit allies". The reptilian entity seems to be a teacher if approached with respect. Maybe it wants to tell you a little about some of the damage that made you, you. Living thought processes from within. Creatures from the Id.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#28430544 - 08/12/23 05:33 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Very interesting I wish yours to be correct because my idea of it isn't so beautiful or mind blowing. There are times when I'm tripping and looking at a rock or a cloud and it's like it really is alive. So I believe the entitys I see are mere complex visual imagery that my mind is giving life to. Ive had 'conversation' with intelligent life in the psychedelic experience but not always is there a visual representation of the entity/thing im talking to. And times where there is clearly a visual entity but there is no communication going on its just like any other visual I'm having just far more complex.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#28430554 - 08/12/23 05:55 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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of course you can see them on psychedelic and not when you're not
that part makes sense, and so does your dream
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#28430666 - 08/12/23 08:26 AM (5 months, 13 days ago) |
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Does this mean that we, too, might be ideas that need the thoughts of others to keep living?
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: redgreenvines] 2
#28598786 - 12/26/23 04:30 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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redgreenvines said: of course you can see them on psychedelic and not when you're not
that part makes sense, and so does your dream
I had the entity from a difficult DMT experience of mine come back shortly after in my dreams, so to speak. It actually locked me into place, making me think it was sleep paralysis at first, but it wasn't. It was unnerving because my failsafe was how I know I won't have to deal with him at least until I do DMT again. Anyway, it said nothing, but was staring at me (this is all taking place inside my head). I couldn't move anything, which is unlike my SP episodes. When I asked it to let me out, my head went flying off my pillow as if I'd been trying to wake up from SP for a while.
I'm not saying this means anything regarding their existence outside of a certain realm, but you can definitely experience them without the aid of psychedelics. Since then, I've had several very psychedelic-like experiences in my sleep, including OOBE and communication with entities, which I'd never done before.
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Thats really interesting!

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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#28598849 - 12/26/23 05:45 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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It does align with my theory that the visuals are self-generated and the theme of the trip can be related to what emotions you feed into it. Like a blank page, it needs some kind of input to become something and then blossom into something greater or change based on thought-reactions to that initial seed. Reacting in fear can feed that emotion into the trip and steer the story, visuals, entity to a scary theme.
I think this can also explain some dud/blank/rejection experiences when someone does it without any intention behind it and a stubborn mind. I remember a couple times expecting DMT to be a guaranteed 4th of july every time, but it didn't actually work that way. I inhaled my milligrams and waited on the curb expecting to get picked up, but the ride never came. You need to place the call, metaphorically, to get it rolling with some mental momentum. And then be brave enough to get in when it comes to pick you up.
I also notice that any thought at all can interrupt the experience. I think that's why it's difficult to remember, it's like all mental RAM is being used on the projection. If I take a moment to consciously acknowledge "wow this is scary/cool/amazing/unbelievable" or really any form of lucidity, that can knock me out of the saddle. If I want to keep it going and keep it growing it seems to take a willful intention to not interrupt it by even acknowledging it. I get more mileage by letting myself fully immerse into the experience like a dream, forgetting that anything else exists and staying one with the experience.
My favorite is ayahuasca, especially getting stoned on ayahuasca. The weed high sets me into a deep, daydreamy state and ayahuasca pumps up the visuals to a point that the entire trip is like a lucid dream.
I think too that the DMT experience fundamentally needs a brain to be experienced. I don't think there's a dimension that we're actually teleporting to or any actual separating from our body / mind / world. So yea, if you're not a living brain with thoughts then DMT entities aren't going to have a space or means to exist.
There's a difference between thought and reflection, I've noticed. I think the DMT experience is generated on subconscious thought and our ego is generally reflecting on what the subconscious is generating. Maybe refraining from reflection is the same as ego death, in the moment anyway.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28599071 - 12/26/23 08:43 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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redgreenvines said: of course you can see them on psychedelic and not when you're not
that part makes sense, and so does your dream
I had the entity from a difficult DMT experience of mine come back shortly after in my dreams, so to speak. It actually locked me into place, making me think it was sleep paralysis at first, but it wasn't. It was unnerving because my failsafe was how I know I won't have to deal with him at least until I do DMT again. Anyway, it said nothing, but was staring at me (this is all taking place inside my head). I couldn't move anything, which is unlike my SP episodes. When I asked it to let me out, my head went flying off my pillow as if I'd been trying to wake up from SP for a while.
I'm not saying this means anything regarding their existence outside of a certain realm, but you can definitely experience them without the aid of psychedelics. Since then, I've had several very psychedelic-like experiences in my sleep, including OOBE and communication with entities, which I'd never done before.
Naturally the same frame stacking effects that occur to enable hallucination, are happening in most dreams.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: Icon]
#28599081 - 12/26/23 08:50 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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Icon said: It does align with my theory that the visuals are self-generated and the theme of the trip can be related to what emotions you feed into it. Like a blank page, it needs some kind of input to become something and then blossom into something greater or change based on thought-reactions to that initial seed. Reacting in fear can feed that emotion into the trip and steer the story, visuals, entity to a scary theme.
I think this can also explain some dud/blank/rejection experiences when someone does it without any intention behind it and a stubborn mind. I remember a couple times expecting DMT to be a guaranteed 4th of july every time, but it didn't actually work that way. I inhaled my milligrams and waited on the curb expecting to get picked up, but the ride never came. You need to place the call, metaphorically, to get it rolling with some mental momentum. And then be brave enough to get in when it comes to pick you up.
Plenty of people go into their trips with great intentions, positive attitude, submission to the experience, and nothing heavy in their life and get something very, very difficult. I've read plenty of reports of people going into the trip with serious emotions, such as thoughts of suicide, and having powerful trips that help them. So it doesn't seem to solely hinge on your expectations or what you're bringing into it.
This also doesn't explain the many reports containing specific visuals or entities that people haven't seen or heard of before.
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redgreenvines said: Naturally the same frame stacking effects that occur to enable hallucination, are happening in most dreams.
It wasn't a dream. If anything, it'd be a hypnopompic hallucination, although I don't think it was that, either. My dreams have never been anything like my DMT experiences with the exception of a few post-DMT that I believe were due to the DMT (commonly reported side-effect).
So are you now acknowledging you can see entities without psychedelics, or do you not consider what I'm describing to be an entity encounter? Just curious. I've never had something like this happen before. Have you?
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28599118 - 12/26/23 09:04 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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You are living, and thoughts are a part of you, so they too are part of living. But any attempt to make out like thoughts are somehow separate beings that need “us” to survive is just unnecessarily imagining things to be more complicated than they really are.
Thoughts are to us as roots are to a tree.
You are your experience. You are the thing that thoughts are happening to.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: Bardy] 2
#28599191 - 12/26/23 09:43 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I have definitely seen other beings in the room, and yes you don't need drugs - either trance (meditation), drugs, dreaming, or emotional intensification will do frame-stacking, and from that you can get full size visitors if you are open to that sort of thing, and I was looking for that when it happened.
It was like Journey to Ixtlan
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: Bardy]
#28599199 - 12/26/23 09:49 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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After thinking about this topic, I am leaning toward a new theory. I think its a collaborative creation between your consciousness and the consciousness of the Entity. A shared space, if you will. Does it work like 2 magnets of opposite polarities?
It might be mostly their consciousness, but I still believe that your consciousness has an effect in the DMT Hyper-Realm (set and setting, thoughts and intentions).
Our consciousness under DMT could be some kind of "space-time device" for our consciousness to travel to specific hyper-realms of the DMT Experience. Applies to Shrooms, LSD and the other psychedelics but specifically for the hyper-intense DMT realm. I believe dreams work in a similar way, just slower and more gradual.
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stareatclouds said: Plenty of people go into their trips with great intentions, positive attitude, submission to the experience, and nothing heavy in their life and get something very, very difficult. I've read plenty of reports of people going into the trip with serious emotions, such as thoughts of suicide, and having powerful trips that help them. So it doesn't seem to solely hinge on your expectations or what you're bringing into it.
DMT reveals to you what you need, rather than what you want. Then it becomes a matter of being able to effectively work with the gained experience and integrate it into your life.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28599237 - 12/26/23 10:25 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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An idea that takes on a life of its own is called a Tulpa.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28599240 - 12/26/23 10:31 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I don't agree with that. It's just something people tell themselves to make sense of what they have no explanation for. It's a way to cope with terrible experiences, much like, "God works in mysterious ways" after a horrible tragedy. But to each their own.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#28599257 - 12/26/23 10:57 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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These realms you speak of aren’t other physical places. They’re the result of your changed experience.
The entities are within you. You may feel a sense of them being separate, but they are a part of you.
It is your mind compartmentalising itself, which we do all the time in everyday waking consciousness, but this time it is compartmentalising under the effect of a strong psychedelic.
I’d theorise that the entities are always there in some form, but our awareness of them changes when under the influence of a psychedelic.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: stareatclouds] 1
#28599259 - 12/26/23 10:57 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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I'm not attempting to prove anything to anyone, nor am I claiming that my perception is the only correct one. Each individual experiences the world in their own unique way and is entitled to their own beliefs. My beliefs are shaped by my personal experiences, and everyone's experiences differ. Therefore, whether something resonates with us or not is a personal matter.
In my opinion, it is important for individuals to periodically reassess their beliefs and be open to changing their minds. It's noticeable how our beliefs evolve throughout our lives. Many people believed in Santa Claus at one point, but as they gained a new understanding of reality, their beliefs shifted. This similarity applies to other aspects of life as well.
I sincerely wish you all peace and success in your pursuit of knowledge
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: Bardy]
#28599261 - 12/26/23 11:01 PM (1 month, 1 day ago) |
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You do not know that to be a fact. It isn't one. It is your opinion. Most importantly, you aren't actually explaining anything.
Bra,
I didn't say you were. I am only stating that I personally do not believe that to be the case. No need to be condescending, especially when I have an agnostic view on the entities.
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Re: A New Theory for the DMT Entities? [Re: stareatclouds]
#28599316 - 12/27/23 01:18 AM (1 month, 23 hours ago) |
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Which part of what I said are you talking about? And yes I admit that most of what I said isn’t an agreed upon thing, it’s just my intuition and how I interpret the evidence.
Some evidence we have for it might be that a sober trip sitter doesn’t see the entities. And that two people on DMT will see different entities, not necessarily at the same time, and not of the same appearance. These two things point to the entities being parts of our minds I think.
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