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Jaggonater
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Split Cap + Blotches: Help identifying possible verticillium and best course of action.
#27300229 - 05/08/21 02:09 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey everyone! First time poster. I have spent the afternoon looking through the forums trying to address what i think to be a potential bacterial contamination and could use a more experienced second opinion.
I’m part way through my first grow. I’m using a 66qt unmodified monotub. I just recently harvested the majority of my first flush and left a few clusters that needed a couple extra days. Now that I’m going back to them I have noticed some brown spots on a few caps, some grey streaks on the stem, as well as a few splits right in the middle of the caps. Can someone with more experience let me know if this is looking like Vert or bacteria contamination or something else. I read that the splitting could be caused by rapid growth which would make sense cause they exploded recently.
Also I have noticed some fruit with shrivelled or under developed caps, could this be related? Thanks so much



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Feasoghorm

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Re: Help identifying possible verticillium [Re: Jaggonater]
#27300248 - 05/08/21 02:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Split stipes/caps, shit looks "eaten away" in spots, underdeveloped fruits... I thnk that's verticillium. Run into that maybe once myself. Someone with more knowledge will correct me if im wrong.
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Re: Help identifying possible verticillium [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27300261 - 05/08/21 02:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the response and input Feasoghorm!!
is the underdeveloped caps a symptom of vert as well?
I have read that the verticillium is harmless to consume once the fruits are properly dried. I already harvested roughly 60g dried and now that i think back some fruit had a small amount of the blotching on the cap.
What would you recommend the best course of action be now? is there a way to exterminate the contamination or do i just ride it out, if it gets worse maybe dispose of the infected fruits and salvage the ones that aren't effected as much?
once again i appreciate the input and would love to hear some other community members opinions. Your guys knowledge has been invaluable to me so far
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Re: Help identifying possible verticillium [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27300286 - 05/08/21 03:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Feasoghorm said: Split stipes/caps, shit looks "eaten away" in spots, underdeveloped fruits... I thnk that's verticillium. Run into that maybe once myself. Someone with more knowledge will correct me if im wrong.
I think I have this too, I have extremely similar looking "eaten away" and stripey look on some of my fruits. This isnt dangerous to eat is it?
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Re: Help identifying possible verticillium [Re: Ashtray161]
#27300292 - 05/08/21 03:12 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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From what I have read today.. once fully dehydrated they should be safe to eat, although I have read that it isn’t recommended to eat raw. As long as they aren’t too far gone that is. What is too far gone? Honestly not sure. Don’t quote me though complete noob here
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Re: Split Cap + Blotches: Help identifying possible verticillium and best course of action. [Re: Jaggonater]
#27300366 - 05/08/21 03:59 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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This was the first flush right before i harvested! Not the canopy I was hoping for but no complaints.
Here is some relevant info about my process. any insight would be greatly appreciated.
the variety is Koh Samui, MSS. inoculated WBS pressure cooked, spawned to straight coir which I used BODS bucket tek. probably about a 1:2 ratio sub:spawn Unmodified monotub.
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Re: Split Cap + Blotches: Help identifying possible verticillium and best course of action. [Re: Jaggonater]
#27300423 - 05/08/21 04:36 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Congrats dude!! I still havent had a successful monotub :/
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Re: Split Cap + Blotches: Help identifying possible verticillium and best course of action. [Re: Ashtray161]
#27300705 - 05/08/21 07:45 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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The majority of my issues with contamination started with shit spawn. I wasn't venting the pc, or didnt dry the grain enough, or was fucking up in the sab. If i cut corners i pay dearly.
If you spawn healthy, fully colonized grain/seed, then contaminants will have a very difficult time getting a hold of that food source in order to germinate and propagate. Coco coir seems fairly resistant to spore germination. So contamination really has to get a hold of a nutrient source to do anything.
So really it comes from fucked spawn. I watch my jars like a fucking hawk while their conizing. I spawn nothing but 100% clean healthy spawn to tubs now. If a jar has only one or two metabolites, then it gets a shoebox. Toss everything else out.
You mentioned WBS. Wbs has sfseeds in it. Sfseeds hold a fat drop of water in each shell along with the seed. So i find that sfseeds need to be dried pretty damn well to not be little bacteria shelters.
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Re: Split Cap + Blotches: Help identifying possible verticillium and best course of action. [Re: Feasoghorm]
#27301452 - 05/09/21 10:29 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good to know!
This morning i checked back and one of the fruits that has the underdeveloped caps i posted above started showing brown spots near the base of the stem, so now im pretty sure it is in fact Vert. Possibly why i have so many smallish aborts as well. The rest of the fruits that are still growing seem relatively healthy, and there are some new healthy looking patches of fresh pins starting to come up as well (2nd flush?). from what i can gather the best course of action is to just ride it out. Is this correct? would love some sage advice.
Im pretty sure i got 99.99% of the SF seeds out when i was preparing the grain, but who knows. Gonna try to dial everything in better next time and hopefully avoid this
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