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Nejco
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First time grower in need of some advice
#25788345 - 02/03/19 02:29 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello everyone,
I just recently ordered my first kit and I'm having some trouble assessing the situation. I realize the advantage of doing your own kits but the place where I'm staying right now is making this highly impractical, so I'm stuck with the store bought kits for now.
This is day 10. There is side pinning mostly on one side and a couple of pins on the top. Given that there's no condensation on the bag, I reckon the top is dried out. The store said that this kit doesn't require misting. So what's the situation, should I mist? Should I take the cake out of the bag so those side boys grow more freely? How do I know when those are ready to harvest and how do I get them out?
I'd appreciate some advice very much.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1f1v22HtlhvGRXGwg9smdsL0uNlKyK1So
https://drive.google.com/open?id=146r4X42_Wc_w2Cteqz94uO39fVKYmxo3
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25788366 - 02/03/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well you should upload your pics to the website so we can see them first off. And then as far as misting. Depends on your situation.
We need a bit more info. A picture can say 1000 words. So look into building a humidity chamber. Utilize the search engine also. Sounds like you are doing bags...
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: TheAtlantean]
#25788386 - 02/03/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like Atlantean said you should upload the pictures here and not on a offsite webpage, A lot of people do not wan't to click those links.
Heres a great tutorial on how to do so: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13674858
Do this and I be back here to try and answer your questions!
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Puduwoke]
#25788424 - 02/03/19 03:05 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry, didn't know this was an issue. Here are the pictures.


I can provide more information or pics if necessary. Thank you for your replies.
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25788463 - 02/03/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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The mushrooms pin on the side because they favor the microclimate there. The surface of your substrate should have constant layer of tiny water droplets. You don't want dry spots or huge drops or puddles.
I would suggest misting the surface and put it back in the bag. These style kits usually give decent fruitings.
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: mushpunx]
#25788471 - 02/03/19 03:29 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, grow kits will potentially limit your ability to make on-the-fly tweaks and adjustments to your grow.
The sidepinning isn't neccesarily a bad thing, most people recommend that when you're creating your own "grow kit" that you should use a garbage bag as a liner prior to putting your sub and grains inside. Once they're inside and mixed you can cut off the excess garbage bag with a knife.
I've personally never tried using a liner because the side pins don't really bother me. And typically if your first flush is mostly sidepins, come the time of your second flush, most of the fruits will grow in the center. Side-pins are a win in my opinion. Some of the biggest fruits I've ever grown have grown out of the side.
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: mushpunx]
#25788475 - 02/03/19 03:30 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: The mushrooms pin on the side because they favor the microclimate there. The surface of your substrate should have constant layer of tiny water droplets. You don't want dry spots or huge drops or puddles.
I would suggest misting the surface and put it back in the bag. These style kits usually give decent fruitings.
Yes there are no water droplets on the surface whatsoever. Do I mist the surface directly or spray on the bag? Also, how urgent is this? I'm still waiting for feedback from the store, due tomorrow I reckon.
As for my other questions, how do you know when the pins on the side are ready for harvest?
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25788743 - 02/03/19 05:25 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you ask me, do not wait for the store to reply. Take it out of the bag, mist up in the air and let in fall onto the substrate ( the box ) do not spray it directly.
You know when to harvest them the same way you know when to harvest mushrooms that are not growing on the side, when the veil is breaking. Or just harvest them when you are harvesting all the others.
Again, dont wait until tomorrow to mist them you will do more harm then good, they want some water
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Puduwoke]
#25788819 - 02/03/19 05:53 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Puduwoke said: If you ask me, do not wait for the store to reply. Take it out of the bag, mist up in the air and let in fall onto the substrate ( the box ) do not spray it directly.
You know when to harvest them the same way you know when to harvest mushrooms that are not growing on the side, when the veil is breaking. Or just harvest them when you are harvesting all the others.
Again, dont wait until tomorrow to mist them you will do more harm then good, they want some water
You will have mushrooms very soon!
I have taken the sub out and gently misted it so now the surface is covered in little droplets. There were maybe 2-3 drops on there already but the rest looked dry. The store never mentions that his box needs misting, but it really seemed like it needed some water. I don't have a hygrometer in my room but it's winter and the heating is on the entire time, so I reckon the air is pretty dry in my room. Hoping for some more pins on the top now
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25788835 - 02/03/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's not a MUST to mist, in the same we you do not HAVE to eat ever day but we sure do like it, right?
I think they say that so new people are intrigued and think that there web page is better then others, maybe?
A cube is a cube is a saying around here and why would there cubensis have different need then all the rest?
I also started out with a kit just like you, 2 year ago. But thanks to this web page I know have quite a few grows under my belt with cubensis and also a few edibles.
Feel free to ask anymore question you have, feel good to be able to answer some question I know I also had when I started.
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Puduwoke]
#25788900 - 02/03/19 06:17 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you Pudu for your input. I think the store wanted to make it as easy as possible, and also assumed that their instructions are one size fits all.
https://www.wholecelium.com/shroom-growkits.html
I have a MAX kit. I mean, their instructions are decent enough, but even though they explicitly say not to water it really felt intuitive to do so, given that the sidepins in the obviously moister environment are going crazy, when the few dry looking pins on top seem to lag behind.
Also, how do you advise to harvest the side pins? Fill up the kit with water so that the sub floats and take it out and then put it back in after the harvest?
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25788944 - 02/03/19 06:42 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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You welcome. Depends, I would harvest the once on top first and then just flip the substrate onto my hand and get it out of the box then taking them out that way. Hope you understand what I trying to say haha.  If that doesnt work I will just have to try to get them of the substrate with a sharp knife and try to pick them out one by one. Dont worry to much tho, you would be surprised how much of a beating cubensis mycilium can take
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25789012 - 02/03/19 07:16 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I used to get allot of side pinning in my second flush before i turned down the fans in the room, heavily mist the walls and surface, dont be afraid to get hands on, tweak some things if your intuition tells you, thats one of the things which make this so fun and challenging, good luck
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: CANASHROOM13]
#25789644 - 02/04/19 04:02 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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CANASHROOM13 said: I used to get allot of side pinning in my second flush before i turned down the fans in the room, heavily mist the walls and surface, dont be afraid to get hands on, tweak some things if your intuition tells you, thats one of the things which make this so fun and challenging, good luck
Misting and fanning in spite of the store's instructions is exactly what I'm doing now. The surface is so dull and dry, while the corner where the sub has split from the walls is going nuts.
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25789720 - 02/04/19 05:39 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: The mushrooms pin on the side because they favor the microclimate there. The surface of your substrate should have constant layer of tiny water droplets. You don't want dry spots or huge drops or puddles.
I would suggest misting the surface and put it back in the bag. These style kits usually give decent fruitings.
Yes there are no water droplets on the surface whatsoever. Do I mist the surface directly or spray on the bag? Also, how urgent is this? I'm still waiting for feedback from the store, due tomorrow I reckon.
As for my other questions, how do you know when the pins on the side are ready for harvest?
They are ready when the caps start to open. But yea, mist the surface whenever it looks dry of those tiny beads. Never mist the walls of the bag, it's pointless, as is fanning- you can stop that too
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: mushpunx]
#25789760 - 02/04/19 06:29 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Really? I would think fanning, at least when it's a kit like that it would be good to exchange the air in the bag from time to time no? I understand it's not a must but sure it would be beneficial no?
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Puduwoke]
#25789799 - 02/04/19 07:20 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Puduwoke said: Really? I would think fanning, at least when it's a kit like that it would be good to exchange the air in the bag from time to time no? I understand it's not a must but sure it would be beneficial no?
From what I've read pins hesitate to grow on top because of a lack of moisture and lack of FAE. So I'm guessing a little fanning can only be beneficial at best and no effect at worst, if the FAE is good in the bag already (my bag has 3 wide stripes of microperforations on one side).
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: Nejco]
#25789812 - 02/04/19 07:29 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Frequent air exchange is passive, it needs to be happening all the time. Fanning does not increase FAE or exchange out stale air, it's already being exchanged. Frequently. If you do need to increase FAE, you add holes , loosen poly fill, crack the lid more etc depending on the type of FC. I mean you can fan to your hearts content if you like I'm just saying it's pointless. I was happy when someone told me I didn't need to bother
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: mushpunx]
#25789887 - 02/04/19 08:15 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: Frequent air exchange is passive, it needs to be happening all the time. Fanning does not increase FAE or exchange out stale air, it's already being exchanged. Frequently. If you do need to increase FAE, you add holes , loosen poly fill, crack the lid more etc depending on the type of FC. I mean you can fan to your hearts content if you like I'm just saying it's pointless. I was happy when someone told me I didn't need to bother
Okay, but isn't air with more CO2 and less O2 heavier than fresh air, hence it settling in the lower parts, rendering the exchange suboptimal? Maybe it's pointless, but unless someone tells me it hurts the grow in some way, I don't mind expending a couple seconds more after misting to give my babies a gentle breeze.
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Re: First time grower in need of some advice [Re: mushpunx]
#25790674 - 02/04/19 01:54 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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I understand what you are saying, but are you telling me that if the fae is not that great and you fan you would not change some of the stale air? doesnt sound right to me ...
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