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Reality or Conspiracy Theory???
#23833375 - 11/14/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
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If you read into it..it's pretty clear that at least some of the people were coaxed/paid to be a part of the protests..obviously some are doing it on their own. I mentioned this the other day before I hid all political threads due to being tired of the same shit being said over and over again..yet here I am once again
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I sympathize with the protestors. I accept that Trump was nominated president (losing the popular vote, but thats besides the point), but I want to make crystal clear that I'm not going to put up with some of the shit Trump has promised to do. These protests are part of the democratic process and would have been were Hillary elected.
Trump made innuendo about refusing to concede and violently rebelling against a Hillary-elect. For this he was criticized. Hillary conceded in a timely fashion and now a portion of the left is protesting (in Seattle, as always, the anarchists seem to be getting all the media spotlight, and yes, there have been people hurt.)
tl;dr: protesting is good, insurrectionism is scary and bad for the people caught in the cross-fire. I have no qualms about docking Trump for "keeping us in suspense" and then joining in protests against him.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist] 1
#23833538 - 11/14/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm waiting for Trump supporters to actually use their second amendment on these fools that are ganging up on them, threatening them with death, spewing rape threats towards Trump's wife, destroying property, stealing etc.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence] 1
#23833595 - 11/14/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once live ammo starts flying its usually pretty damn difficult to go back. I'm sure the leftists will all go home and stay there after some nut sprays them with several 5.56 mags
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
"interesting article by a liberal"
He's not a liberal.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
#23833633 - 11/14/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crumist said: I sympathize with the protestors. I accept that Trump was nominated president (losing the popular vote, but thats besides the point), but I want to make crystal clear that I'm not going to put up with some of the shit Trump has promised to do. These protests are part of the democratic process and would have been were Hillary elected.
Trump made innuendo about refusing to concede and violently rebelling against a Hillary-elect. For this he was criticized. Hillary conceded in a timely fashion and now a portion of the left is protesting (in Seattle, as always, the anarchists seem to be getting all the media spotlight, and yes, there have been people hurt.)
tl;dr: protesting is good, insurrectionism is scary and bad for the people caught in the cross-fire. I have no qualms about docking Trump for "keeping us in suspense" and then joining in protests against him.
"I'm not going to put up with some of the shit Trump has promised to do"
Oh really? What specifically are you "not going to put up with"?
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman] 2
#23833681 - 11/14/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rounding up or millions of people without due process. Trying political opponents or journalists in kangaroo courts. Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad. Seizing liberated foreign assets as spoils of war.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
#23833714 - 11/14/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crumist said: Rounding up or millions of people without due process. Trying political opponents or journalists in kangaroo courts. Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad. Seizing liberated foreign assets as spoils of war.
Deporting illegals is going to happen, we already have the laws on the books, we are just going to enforce those laws.
Nobody is going after political opponents or journalists, stop being hysterical.
"Targeting civilians to be massacred in wars abroad"
Like Bush and Obama? Where has been your outrage?
"spoils of war"
Well, the US has been nothing but a big loser in these wars, we are due for some "spoils".
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: qman]
#23833739 - 11/14/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
"interesting article by a liberal"
He's not a liberal.
It doesn't really matter to me, but he's always defended liberal causes, and thinks Carter should be reelected.
Only Eminence responded to my question - is the establishment organizing the Trump protests? Sure, once they're organized, "liberals" might come if change.org invites them, but I don't think we should be protesting Trump just because he got elected. Let's wait and see what his policy decisions are.
My guess is that I'll be protesting him soon enough, but for now, I'll accept the election results and keep my fingers crossed.
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I just read a very interesting article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:
The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy
Basically, his argument is that all the anti-Trump protests that are going on right now around the country are being pushed by the establishment to delegitimize Trump's presidency. Change.org is even circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary.
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"Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions."
"Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia."
It's a very interesting article by a liberal, who clearly hates Hillary. I actually think he has a point... is this reality, or conspiracy theory???
"interesting article by a liberal"
He's not a liberal.
It doesn't really matter to me, but he's always defended liberal causes, and thinks Carter should be reelected.
Only Eminence responded to my question - is the establishment organizing the Trump protests? Sure, once they're organized, "liberals" might come if change.org invites them, but I don't think we should be protesting Trump just because he got elected. Let's wait and see what his policy decisions are.
My guess is that I'll be protesting him soon enough, but for now, I'll accept the election results and keep my fingers crossed.
"is the establishment organizing the Trump protests"
Maybe?? Either way, I still think they would be forming.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Eminence]
#23833810 - 11/14/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eminence said: If you read into it..it's pretty clear that at least some of the people were coaxed/paid to be a part of the protests..obviously some are doing it on their own. I mentioned this the other day before I hid all political threads due to being tired of the same shit being said over and over again..yet here I am once again 
I did a search for that post and could only find it in the pub. 
So no need for the 
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I didn't imply that I mentioned that particular point multiple times, I was talking about the repetitiveness of it all in general, the " " was at myself because I just hid the threads and now I'm back at it again less than a day later
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I read this article, and I need to point some things on appearances 1. He calls himself and signs his books "Dr." yet I can't find what his Ph.D is in. Usually this is a crappy sales tactic for self help or business voodoo books. 2. Holy shit! From the covers of his books to his titles and his prose, everything is screaming that this guy makes his bacon being an alarmist and conspiracy theorist.
Anyone could have started that change.org petition. Hell, the odds are decent the Russian gov't started it, or a Trump supporter. Poe's Law or something like that. Who knows and I don't think it really matters. What has a change.org petition ever done?
Why would the establishment provoke protests to de-legitimize their presidential office? Whoever "the powers that be" are, if they've been around this long, I'd assume they are thinking longer than the next 4 years.
It is worth protesting our president-elect (he is our president-elect and he is the only legitimate person to occupy the white house on Jan 20th) if only as a method of organizing and preparing in the event Trump tries shit. It is also worth protesting that Trump has a personal gain to be made from DAPL getting finished, for example. Or how he still hasn't released his taxes. Or because you think his hair is ugly.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
#23833895 - 11/14/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crumist said: I read this article, and I need to point some things on appearances 1. He calls himself and signs his books "Dr." yet I can't find what his Ph.D is in. Usually this is a crappy sales tactic for self help or business voodoo books.
Or maybe he's just modest. Here's his bio:
Georgia Institute of Technology (BA Economics) University of Virginia (PhD Economics) University of Oxford (Fellow in Economics)
"he became the United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under President Reagan in 1981"
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Crumist said: Why would the establishment provoke protests to de-legitimize their presidential office?
I don't know if they're delegitimizing the Presidency, just the non-establishment candidate.
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Crumist said: It is worth protesting our president-elect (he is our president-elect and he is the only legitimate person to occupy the white house on Jan 20th) if only as a method of organizing and preparing in the event Trump tries shit.
I'm afraid that with Trump's personality, that will only lead to making him think "Fuck you liberals, if you're going to claim I'm not the legitimate President, then I'm going to lead the people who know I am."
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Crumist said: It is worth protesting our president-elect (he is our president-elect and he is the only legitimate person to occupy the white house on Jan 20th) if only as a method of organizing and preparing in the event Trump tries shit.
I'm afraid that with Trump's personality, that will only lead to making him think "Fuck you liberals, if you're going to claim I'm not the legitimate President, then I'm going to lead the people who think I am." 
Wait, we have to take Trump's feelings into account? There are people with legitimate past, present, and future grievances with this man who is set to become President of the The United States and "the leader of the free world," as well as all the other men and women newly elected to represent us. These people have feelings too. I'd prefer that government and the people were respectful and accountable to one another, the people can not afford to be reliant upon our government's opinion of its needs.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist] 1
#23834206 - 11/14/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crumist said: I'd prefer that government and the people were respectful and accountable to one another...
"He's not my President" isn't terribly respectful. A new President was elected and people need to deal with it. Hence, the O.P. about what these protesters think they're doing.
Count me in the protests after Trump tries to push bad policy.
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He calls himself and signs his books "Dr." yet I can't find what his Ph.D is in.
Kinda like Obama calling himself "American"
***ya can't prove it's true, but can't really prove it's not either
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Crumist said: He calls himself and signs his books "Dr." yet I can't find what his Ph.D is in.
Kinda like Obama calling himself "American"
***ya can't prove it's true, but can't really prove it's not either 
Yes, it's EXACTLY like that. There is overwhelming evidence for both, but Crumist accepts the factual evidence, you choose to ignore it.
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Re: Reality or Conspiracy Theory??? [Re: Crumist]
#23835413 - 11/15/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crumist said: Anyone could have started that change.org petition.
I just got a petition from my phone company asking me to sign a petition to the electoral college asking them to reject Donald Trump.
This is crazy.
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