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Who wants to play a game? What would you do?
    #23616388 - 09/05/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so here's the deal, very curious to hear different opinions on what you would do in this situation. Winner gets a prize?

Background:
1. Still consider myself a newbie
2. But have read more into this hobby than I ever thought I would, it's became an addiction.
3. Have had many successful PF tek grows, any small problems have been fixed by advice from this forum. Thank you guys!
4. Finally got a PC, and have mostly been working with hulled oats, but definitely a beginner when it comes to grains.
5. Vast training in sterile technique.
6. no experience with agar, but that's obviously the next step.
7. Have only dealt with MS spore syringes. I believe all my LC attempts have failed due to PCing too long.
8. Currently have all items/supplies needed for ANYONES idea.

The situation:
1. Before I got my PC, I wanted to sample one of the site sponsored vendors.
2. So I know have (5) 1 pound, fully colonized rye Berrie spawn bags, golden teacher, ready for action. 5 lbs total
3. I also have (3) 5 pound substrate bags from the same vendor. 15lbs total
4. Also have a few quart jars of oats almost fully colonized from MS. B+ & PE (THATS THE WILDCARD! per say )


The question:
1. What would you do with the 5lbs spawn/ 15lbs substrate to get the most out of it?
Re: G2g? Bulk mono? Mini monos? Trays in an SGFC? LC? How would you make the most of what you got, to get fruit and carry on more spawn to work with?

Feel free to ask if need any other info to form your best advice.
This should be fun. Best advice will be sent a brand new skate deck courtesy of my sponsor.

This is like a game me and my pops use to play, and it always made me think. "This is what you have in front of you, how will you use it most wisely?"



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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Mycah9]
    #23616411 - 09/05/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

spawn it all to monotubs and forget about g2g anything because none of it was started with agar. forget that LCs even exist at this time.

once you get some fruits from this stuff, you can clone it on agar to continue working with your culture.


Edited by Munchauzen (09/05/16 09:47 PM)


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23616421 - 09/05/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

None of your LC problems are due to PCing too long.  It's either the inoculant or the sterile technique.  You say your sterile technique is good, and I have no reason to challenge you on that--especially since LC inoculated from a spore syringe is going to be dirty most of the time.


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Mycah9]
    #23616444 - 09/05/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mycah9 said:

The question:
1. What would you do with the 5lbs spawn/ 15lbs substrate to get the most out of it?





come to my house??
i win. prize please.


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23616466 - 09/05/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeh Munch! You've givin me plenty advice before, thank you for that. So definitely understanding shit ain't legit until you're using agar. Still building the knowledge on it, but didn't wanna start until I felt I was comfortable. ( don't wanna be bothering you guys everyday). So question to your response, vendor reccomends 2lb spawn to 5lb of their substrate. I have 5 lb spawn and 15 lb substrate. Are you recommending maybe 2 mini monos?, or just go 1 big? Also curious why you are not reccomending trays? Appreciate your time brotha


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Psilicon]
    #23616477 - 09/05/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the reply, yeh did the typical " I can make this spore syringe last forever if I just make an LC" So did the baby bottle tek and Preety much seem to just have sediment after 2 weeks. That's why I love this, really enjoying everyone's vast knowledge, teks, experiences, and trial and errors. Thanks again man!


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: mushboy]
    #23616483 - 09/05/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Winner! Send me a pizza tho first.


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Mycah9]
    #23616487 - 09/05/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Your questions aren't a bother.  Helping people is 90% of why people hang out here, and if they don't want to answer your questions they just won't.

The spawn ratio is pretty flexible.  You can do what you want for the most part, but recognize that your colonization time and your yield per pound of substrate will vary based on your spawn ratio.

I love mini monos for a lot of reasons, but the two most applicable ones to your situation are:

1. Less eggs per basket (contamination is still possible with spore-syringe inoculated grain)
2. Easier to dial in for beginners (the center of the substrate is closer to air holes)

Trial and error?  You can say that again.  I have personally fucked up LCs when I was a newb by squirting single drops of spore solution into them, and I've consoled countless newbs after the process went bad on them as well.


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Psilicon]
    #23616530 - 09/05/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Trays are a really great option if you have either a climate in which they fruit naturally anyway or a climate-controlled area like a greenhouse that's basically the same.  If you live in Florida or eastern Texas or anywhere in between, they're fantastic.  If you already have a greenhouse they're fantastic.  But for your average newb, it's easier and cheaper to cut a few holes in a Sterilite tub than it is to build and then dial in a greenhouse.


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Psilicon]
    #23616536 - 09/05/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My man! Brah where I come from you meet people at church who ain't nowhere near "welcoming" yet helpful in any way. Hats off to you brotha man. Gonna go with your advice and just dial in two mini monos. Keep ya posted on the results! Just started reading your agar for beginners, solid, makes it look simple. Excited to dive into the next step. Really appreciate the help again.


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Mycah9]
    #23616563 - 09/05/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It is super simple. Agar is just LC but with 1-3% agar by weight.  Add a couple tips and tricks and some sterile technique and you've got it.  Hope it helps.  :smile:


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Re: Who wants to play a game? What would you do? [Re: Mycah9]
    #23616994 - 09/06/16 04:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mycah9 said:

7. Have only dealt with MS spore syringes. I believe all my LC attempts have failed due to PCing too long using syringes on my LCs.





Fixed that for you.


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