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Salvia as a self-exploration tool?
    #23585336 - 08/27/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The classical psychedelics are widely used for self-exploration, but I have heard many people refer to salvia simply as "weird."  Whether or not it's weird, it's certainly different. 

Based on your experiences, do you think that there is significant self-exploration potential with salvia, and if so, how does it compare to that of LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, DMT, etc?

Thanks for your input.


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Re: Salvia is a self-exploration tool? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23585349 - 08/27/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In my personal experience, it didn't offer a trip that I wanted to go back to, for any reason.  Mabye at a minimal level with fresh leaf and a quid, but not with a concentrated extract.

I'm certainly not the mentally tough psychonaut, but it didn't offer any kind of insight to me in the 2 experiences I've had. It just scared the fuck out of me.


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Re: Salvia is a self-exploration tool? [Re: alexmir]
    #23585583 - 08/27/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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but it didn't offer any kind of insight to me in the 2 experiences I've had. It just scared the fuck out of me.




I saw time slow down, and had a revelation about time, then I passed out for about 15 minutes unconscious.  I awoke with memory I had a revelation, but not what the revelation was.  This was when I mixed 100x extract, with two other big doses of drugs I was already on. 

I heard someone else talk about it breaking down how the mind processes time, on shroomery.  I feel like it may help you analyze the world around you.  I need more experience with it honestly.  I'm kind of different from you alexmir.  I did 30x twice and it underwhelmed me. It also made me feel very uncomfortable.(looked like black rocks, the 100x looked almost like tobacco)  I wish I could find some 100x still.


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Re: Salvia as a self-exploration tool? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23585716 - 08/28/16 01:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The classical psychedelics are widely used for self-exploration, but I have heard many people refer to salvia simply as "weird."  Whether or not it's weird, it's certainly different. 

Based on your experiences, do you think that there is significant self-exploration potential with salvia, and if so, how does it compare to that of LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, DMT, etc?

Thanks for your input.




For me, I'm a spiritual type person and am always looking to gain some perspective from this huge universe and its seemingly endless array of consciousness. I have a spiritual guru that tries to teach us that we are not our bodies and not even our minds. Words can only take us so far. When I tripped out on salvia d for the first time, I finally knew exactly what he was talking about. I was taken out of my body and out of my mind. It's extremely difficult for someone to get outside of their mind because it takes the mind to try to think of something that is not of the mind so you really can't get outside your mind unless you become void of the mind. This could be done delicately like meditating for years to finally reach that point where your mind isn't "trying" to do anything and finally you're able to set aside your mind and body. But then there's another forceful way and that's through psychedelics and for sure salvia d does that very efficiently. I'd say sally d is the most intense psychedelic I've experienced by far. She'll bitch slap you out of your body and out of your mind and you will not know what the hell is going on - that is if you hit it correctly, using highest extract, maybe x40+ and holding it in as long as possible is most important.

To get to your original question, I would question everyone's definition of "self-exploration." Yes I do believe there is significant potential of self exploration here but it really depends on what you regard as such. I've done ayahausca and lsd and mesc and they are all different so it's hard to put any of these on a scale but if I had to, I'd say that sally d, for me personally, ranks #1 for POTENTIALLY being the most significant experience, only because you are thrown in there so hard that you don't even know what the hell is going on, you lose control of your body (your body disappears and is warped into millions of pieces to the point you don't even know where your center is anymore) and definitely your mind is no more - you will get to know this when you experience it and then come back to "reality" and you'll realize that every second of your life, you are seeking pleasure, whether it be food or sex or even as simple as the next breath of air. You realize how "human" you are and everything you do, every single action involves catering to your human needs but when you are tripping out with sally, none of that exists. For me, it just seems like I died and I'm in some form of existence/consciousness that is so alien to me, even after the 5th time doing it. The thing that's different about sally is that it voids you of your "real" reality, the reality you are comfortable with and throws you into some alien reality. With other psyches, I'm able to just open my eyes and be like OK I'm tripping on DMT or I'm on LSD, but with sally, it's as if your memory just got wiped and you don't know that you're on sally and you think all of this is real and that you died somehow and this is your consciousness after death.

The first time I did sally, I swear I thought I was flattened by a bus somehow and didn't remember it. I was trying to "peel" myself out but couldn't. I started to hear voices saying "OK this one is new, let's try to welcome into our world so he is not so frightened." The experience was more real than normal reality itself, that's how intense it was which makes the brain think this is real.

Now if you're a true seeker, one who is on the self-exploration path, you won't just dismiss the experience (or any experience) as just a hallucinogen. You were able to be conscious of that experience, so therefore it is real. It may not be materialistically real but it is still in the realm of consciousness because you experienced it yourself.

I use sally to remind myself that I am not just this mind and body. As I type here, my sensation of my fingers on the keyboard force me, every nanosecond, to realize that this body is real, but that's just my brain's function for survival. If I lost sensation even for a few seconds, I could die somehow so the brain as it is developed here on Earth, after billions of years of evolution, has made consciousness in such a way that I experience my body in such a way. However with psyches, it puts you out of this survival mindset for just a few minutes/hours and you're able to experience something that doesn't involve just survival (senses of body function differently than what they are intended for) and this goes for the mind as well where mind doesn't think in its usual logical ways. So yes I think sally would top the charts if you're truly seeking to find out what the nature of consciousness itself. Sally is not going to directly give you that answer, but she bitch slaps you so hard that you start to question what "reality" really is. And from there, you start to question, or you start to really SEEK, and I think that's a good starting point to self-exploration. Spirituality really is separating your physical self from your true "spirit" and sally just separates this for you more easily (whether you like it or not).

To further answer your other inquiry, ayahausca (or DMT) was a powerful experience for me but it wasn't as intense compared to sally. (And again, the only way to taking sally is to fully take it, as in take the highest extract from a reputable source and when you inhale it, you hold as long as possible, otherwise, it won't be the full experience.) Anyways, ayahausca was amazing for me, I felt like I was being born into this new world and everyone was celebrating my birthday by this 3D circus of colors and images and geo-shapes and such. LSD I took a long time ago and was great as well. Mixed my senses up where I was feeling and tasting the music, etc.

All in all, if you're asking about "self-discovery" it really depends on what your target is on "spirituality." For example, people use DMT or ayahausca to find their purpose in life. They are looking for some experience to help them create an intense inner story so they can use that to help guide them on what to do next. Personally, for me, I'm on the spiritual path of just wanting to know what is this whole existence about, the nature of consciousness itself. I'm not looking for petty physical pleasures or even a "purpose" really in life on earth. I'm not looking for something "to do" on this earth, so therefore, ayahausca didn't have such a great impact on me in terms of self discovery because I've already discovered myself that all the things I've done on this earth just amounted to satisfying the body and mind. I've amassed as much money as I care for and with that money, I've experienced as much pleasure as I care for through sex and food and drugs and whatever else. I've basically experienced everything I care for in terms of sensation using body and mind here in this physical plane. I'm looking for something deeper, creation itself. Sally D did not give me that directly, but she gave me an intense enough experience that wakes me up each time and reminds me that consciousness is so huge and vast out there that worldly issues are so petty in comparison. Ultimately, I'd like to get to this intensity through a more controlled experience with controlled techniques and I'm currently practicing yoga/meditation to get me there as I know use of drugs will only give me a temporary taste of what I'm seeking.


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Re: Salvia as a self-exploration tool? [Re: kraykray]
    #23585718 - 08/28/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and btw, I would suggest using sally d while not on any other phycho drugs. Being sober and fully alert, preferably in the morning, you'll get the most out of it, otherwise you'll just be half asleep, half baked, whatever and not get the full experience of what sally has to offer you.


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Re: Salvia as a self-exploration tool? [Re: kraykray]
    #23585722 - 08/28/16 01:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't find salvinorum insightful at all. It's just sort of like you step into the wrong reality.


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Re: Salvia as a self-exploration tool? [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23585794 - 08/28/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In a meditative mentality, where dissociation is expected, a salvia tincture can aid with visuals and emotional intensity. Sublingually appears to be the best route for true meaning seekers. Not much time to ponder with smoking rapid-onset  extracts.


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Re: Salvia as a self-exploration tool? [Re: nitelife]
    #23594357 - 08/30/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The first time I smoked salvia I realized how other people perceive me. I sort of looked at myself from other peoples point of view. Especially from the viewpoints of people that I was with on that day. I made use of this lesson. I had this repeat many times, then started having different trips. But still to this day, each time I smoke it, I start thinking about all the things which I should change about the way I am.


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