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ACRB step questions
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"Before the pulling stage you can leave you're basic soup to cool a little ..... heat up a fair amount of naphtha ( shellite ) in a heat bath and then take approximately 50ml solvent and add to the basic soup mix , now lightly turning end over end or in a circular motion or what ever you feel best suits you , you should do this for a good 45-60 seconds then let it separate fully this can take 3-5 mins , can take longer as the base cools down ( do this a further 3x mixing all up 4x ) now once it's fully separated suck up the naphtha with a pipette , eye dropper or glass syringe , now be very careful not to get any basic soup in with the pulls and collect all pulls in a single glass container now you might notice tiny tiny red specs on the bottom of the pull glass this is microscopic bits of base soup , when handling this glassware be careful not to stir it up !! Don't panic , the most careful ppl will still get this !! Now do this step for at least 5 - 6 times back to back !! Note use fresh naphtha for each pull ! Also you might prefer to leave the last pull separate to all the others so you can evaluate if there's more pulls needed or not."
So in this step is he saying to add 50ml naptha to the mixture and turn it end over end for 1min, then pull that naptha out of the mixture after letting it sit for 5mins? And do that whole process 5 times (with hot naptha)?
Also what is the most ideal tool to use for pulling the naptha out without getting any of the mixture along with it? A syringe? Last time I used a big ole turkey baster and I was pulling much more than the naptha when the layer was getting thin.
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And then in his cleanup steps he says get a 1ltr bottle and add 500ml water and "your choice of acid to get a pH level of 2-3"
So what should I be adding to the water as my acid?
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ONE OZ SLUG
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So what should I be adding to the water as my acid?
There's many things you can use. I use 5% White Vinegar.
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So in this step is he saying to add 50ml naptha to the mixture and turn it end over end for 1min, then pull that naptha out of the mixture after letting it sit for 5mins? And do that whole process 5 times (with hot naptha)?
Turn the jar over and over again, and allow time for the naphtha to separate. This can take longer than five minutes. When he naphtha separates, turn the jar over again. Do this for a total of 4 times. Then pull the naphtha. Do 4 pulls.
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Also what is the most ideal tool to use for pulling the naptha out without getting any of the mixture along with it? A syringe? Last time I used a big ole turkey baster and I was pulling much more than the naptha when the layer was getting thin.
Syringe is fine.
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Thanks for the help man. +repped.
How much white vinegar would need to be added to the 500ml of water for a 2-3ph?
Other than that I think I understand the rest..
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Not much. Let me find out real quick
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20ml of white vinegar got me a ph of 4.01 in 500ml of water, which is the ideal pH you want for ACRB A/B extractions.
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ONE OZ SLUG said: 20ml of white vinegar got me a ph of 4.01 in 500ml of water, which is the ideal pH you want for ACRB A/B extractions.
You are awesome. Thank you so much.
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Use a lot more vinegar than that. 1:4 ratio is good, some people even go 1:2
-------------------- The mushroom speaks: '"I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for life... How the hypercommunication mode operates is a secret which will not be lightly given to man. But the means should be obvious: it is the occurrence of psilocybin and psilocin in the biosynthetic pathways of my living body that opens for me and my symbiots the vision screens to many worlds"
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1:2 is entirely too much.
When doing an A/B extraction you need to acidify your solution to a pH of 4, which I managed to do with just 20ml of vinegar in 500ml of water.
Some people go as far as to say acidifying your solution to a pH of 2-3 can destroy alkaloids, but I'm not sure you could really do that with white vinegar. All I know is that 4 is the way to go and you don't need very much to get there.
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ONE OZ SLUG said: 1:2 is entirely too much.
When doing an A/B extraction you need to acidify your solution to a pH of 4, which I managed to do with just 20ml of vinegar in 500ml of water.
Some people go as far as to say acidifying your solution to a pH of 2-3 can destroy alkaloids, but I'm not sure you could really do that with white vinegar. All I know is that 4 is the way to go and you don't need very much to get there.
How much experimentation have you done with altering pH? White vinegar by itself has a pH of roughly 2.4. No way did you get neutral water to pH 4 with 20mL vinegar. What do you use to test pH
Care to let us see your yields?
-------------------- The mushroom speaks: '"I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for life... How the hypercommunication mode operates is a secret which will not be lightly given to man. But the means should be obvious: it is the occurrence of psilocybin and psilocin in the biosynthetic pathways of my living body that opens for me and my symbiots the vision screens to many worlds"
Edited by Bugler Boy (09/23/15 05:41 AM)
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Jean-guy Masta
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Perfect ph is 1.8-2.2 just go see beta knight tek on here. I myself used 1:2 water/vinegar with results over 1% white crystals
I would bet 100$ that an acid ph of 2-3 can't destroy the alkaloids like that, sounds like bullshit
20ml vinegar to 500ml is certainly not enough IME you need like 150ml to 500ml just to have a ph of 3
You need a ph pen bro
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21159553
This is an extraction a did with even more then a 1:2 ratio

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Edited by Jean-guy Masta (09/23/15 06:47 AM)
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ONE OZ SLUG
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Bugler Boy said:
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ONE OZ SLUG said: 1:2 is entirely too much.
When doing an A/B extraction you need to acidify your solution to a pH of 4, which I managed to do with just 20ml of vinegar in 500ml of water.
Some people go as far as to say acidifying your solution to a pH of 2-3 can destroy alkaloids, but I'm not sure you could really do that with white vinegar. All I know is that 4 is the way to go and you don't need very much to get there.
How much experimentation have you done with altering pH? White vinegar by itself has a pH of roughly 2.4. No way did you get neutral water to pH 4 with 20mL vinegar. What do you use to test pH
Care to let us see your yields?
I have a digital pH meter that came back as 4.01 when I added 20ml white vinegar to 500ml of water. When the OP asked how much white vinegar was needed I literally got up from my computer and did the experiment myself.
I have bark that is yielding 1.4% right now.
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Jean-guy those crystals look GORGEOUS. Yea I read somewhere that alkaloids can be destroyed if the solution is acidified too much but clearly that hasn't been a problem for you that's why I said "I read somewhere..." instead of stating it as fact. I take things with a grain of salt (or in your case, a grain of DMT )
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