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Genocide?
    #21356784 - 03/03/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hi All,

I'm South African, and I live in Cape Town, as I have done my whole life.

I caught the scandalous behaviour of our parliament during the President's State of the Nation address live on TV recently, and it scared the crap out of me.

It was the first time I have experienced a deliberate media blackout/manipulation and recognised it as such (it was pretty hard to miss, as the camera feeds showing the parliamentary session were cut so we couldn't see the police entering parliament, and the news peeps were howling over it)

I was thinking about the above again this evening and I wanted to know what the international community thought about the state of affairs in South Africa, so I started going down the google rabbit hole.

Not very far down I found this article.

Then on the same site, this article.

This one says our country is at stage 6 (of a possible 8) on the ladder to full blown genocide of the afrikaner people.

This is a press release by the highly acclaimed Dr Gregory Stanton made in December 2014

Then this article.

So what do you think?

I'm pretty shocked right now, so I won't go on for fear of getting mad at the situation and going on a rant.

Here's another one if you really want to see the current situation (as reported in the SA News).


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Re: Genocide? [Re: OysterKing]
    #21356847 - 03/03/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I glanced at those articles, and they seemed to 1. be from pretty pro-Afrikaner sources (Proudly Afrikaner DNA) and 2. concerned with individual events.

Do you have any sources that estimate the scope of the larger situation?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #21357047 - 03/03/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

The best one I have found for now is the press release from Dr Stanton on Genocidewatch.net -- see the link in my 1st post.

The murder rate in SA is 31 per 100 000 on average, while the murder rate for the Afrikaner farmers stands at 120 per 100 000 in 2013 according to the institute for security studies. The Transvaal Agricultural union puts that stat at 130 per 100 000.

This statistic combined with the violence inciting propaganda from elements in government and also the utter brutality and savagery of the attacks makes a compelling case. You should hear the stories of torture and rape man, its proper sick whats going on..

I'll try to find the original statistics when I get online again.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #21359568 - 03/04/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hi guys,

This link to politicsweb.co.za shows the current situation in what may be considered a more neutral light. Can it be possible our police refuse to keep statistics of rural murders?

This link is off the 'main' news agency in South Africa, news24. Our government ministers say we should take race out of an issue which is about race-related death statistics.

The murder rate may be high, but it is the savagery of the torture and killing which is shocking. Yes torture. yes savage. Like gore movie savage..

Does this sound ok? What if this started happening in the USA, Canada, the UK or Germany? Would your government stop keeping statistics, and downplay the facts? What can be done?

What do you think I should do as a person concerned, with personal ties to the affected minority?

Or have I missed something completely obvious? I keep hoping its just a conspiracy, but just google :

"farm murder pic" and look at the images.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: OysterKing] * 1
    #21360490 - 03/04/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Murder is bad. Racism is bad too. But it's hard for me to get super worked up about this with the memory of Apartheid as fresh as it is. Most of the perpetrators were born under Apartheid, and some probably grew up under it. I can see why they might be a little angry.

That said, I'd hate for South Africa to wind up like Zimbabwe.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #21361538 - 03/04/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hi,

Thanks for the reply Roy.

Please excuse me, but I'm struggling to understand your position a little.

Following your logic, could I ask:

Should the descendants of German citizens who lived in Germany during the Nazi years be held accountable for the crimes of the Nazi Party as well?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: OysterKing] * 1
    #21361741 - 03/04/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Of course they shouldn't be raped and murdered. But Germany does continue its process of atonement through the present day.

But we're not talking about descendents here -- we're talking about people who were born under Apartheid committing acts of violence against people who lived through it.

I don't condone violence.

That said, if a Jew who lived through the Third Reich murdered a German who also lived through it, I wouldn't be shocked. I'd have some idea of where they were coming from. And it would take many such murders before I felt bad for the German people as a whole.



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Re: Genocide? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #21364097 - 03/04/15 11:03 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Ah yes, I get it now.

What you say makes sense, Roy. Thanks!

I'm struggling with the fact that so far in 2015, nine(9) white farmers have been tortured and killed thus far (latest one: 03March). Problem is not all the killers were born before 1994 (see links in my first post). The hatred of the white man is being passed on to the children. Not good. And our government does not seem too bothered. At All!

I gave the murder rate stats previously. Remember they are not clear if that includes wives and daughters raped, children burnt (yes) etc.

Have you ever seen an old woman burnt to death with clothes irons? An old man beaten all over his body with hammers until dead? Or a Lady with a big broken glass bottle stuffed... well you get the idea. Or look at the pictures to see what I'm talking about. Google has them.

How many murders would it take for the world to start doing something? Remember Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Cambodia.

Does anyone think I should do something about it? If so, what can I do?


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Re: Genocide? [Re: OysterKing] * 2
    #22709173 - 12/28/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Hey brotha. I know this is an old thread from the beginning of the year, but this subject is becoming more widely discussed, not just regarding your part of the world, but regarding every single white nation on the planet.

I am now a pretty strong believer in what is being dubbed white genocide, in every single white nation right across the planet.

I don't know the full facts about what is happening in South Africa, but i am aware of the shocking statistics regarding murder rates and crimes now being committed against white South Africans. Its disgusting.

I know here in Europe (and I'm talking every single EU country now) that we are being forced to assimilate with non white migrants from all over Northern Africa and the Middle East. With interracial interbreeding actively encouraged in certain member states.

I feel that the current refugee crisis happening in the EU has been fabricated by the political elite on purpose, first by creating complete instability in the Middle East and then again by doing the same in Northern Africa by taking out Colonel Qaddafi in Libya.

The end purpose of all of this, is primarily to flood the EU with millions upon millions of non white Northern Africans and Arabs from the Middle East. Which as we now see is a full blown epidemic, with EU politicians refusing to do any thing to stop it, even offering an open door policy to every one and any one.

This is also true for white Americans, with congress recently passing a bill to grant over 1.1 trillion dollars to be spent bringing non white immigrants from all over the Middle East in to the country.

All of this is being forced down the throats of every single white nation on Earth, under the false pretense of multiculturalism and diversity.

Have the native populations of these country's agreed or voted for this? No, it is forced by law and we have absolutely no say other than to assimilate and accept it and this makes it genocide.

I know in Norway for instance that they have recently implemented a policy to make 1 in 3 new workers in the country non white by 2021 and with immigration and immigrant birth rates at there current level, native white Norwegians will be a minority with in there own country by 2045.

Had a similar law been passed to prevent new migrant workers, that would have been seen as racist. Yet making the new work force non white is seen as tolerance and diversity that must be accepted.

Genocide on an industrial scale is happening right across the planet to whites and only white nations. Its time our race opened there eyes and stood up to the political elite anti white idiots, that are destroying our communities, heritage, culture and values.


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Re: Genocide? [Re: Bubbles85]
    #22709205 - 12/28/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know about genocide for this particular situation, but those facts do beg some important questioning. If I had my two cents in I'd claim it(the genocide you speak of), had to do strictly with globalization. Spreading the poverty out nice and slow.

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Re: Genocide? [Re: OysterKing] * 1
    #22709236 - 12/28/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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OysterKing said:
Hi guys,

This link to politicsweb.co.za shows the current situation in what may be considered a more neutral light. Can it be possible our police refuse to keep statistics of rural murders?

This link is off the 'main' news agency in South Africa, news24. Our government ministers say we should take race out of an issue which is about race-related death statistics.

The murder rate may be high, but it is the savagery of the torture and killing which is shocking. Yes torture. yes savage. Like gore movie savage..

Does this sound ok? What if this started happening in the USA, Canada, the UK or Germany? Would your government stop keeping statistics, and downplay the facts? What can be done?

What do you think I should do as a person concerned, with personal ties to the affected minority?

Or have I missed something completely obvious? I keep hoping its just a conspiracy, but just google :

"farm murder pic" and look at the images.



This wouldn't happen in america, we have gun rights, there would be a race war. If I were you id buy a gun and be ready to protect you and yours.  it looks like you are in a race war there, here in america the blacks are genociding there own people, whole sale, rite now...


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Re: Genocide? [Re: ashfiken] * 1
    #22709315 - 12/28/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If that is the case, why is this happening to majority white nations only?

Asia remains asian, Africa remains African, yet Europe and every other majority white country on Earth now belongs to every one and in the very near future looking at the statistics they will no longer belong to us. They will all be immigrant majority nations.

If these people were being spread out for financial reason, i.e spreading out the poverty, why are they being sent to white majority countries only?

Japan is a very rich country, yet has very little immigration, especially from the third world and this is true for the majority of rich non white countries.

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Re: Genocide? [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
    #22709447 - 12/28/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Because white nations (your description not mine) are the ones destabilizing regions and displacing millions of people.


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    #22709450 - 12/28/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

And lol at the apparent prejudice in your argument too


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    #22709475 - 12/28/15 03:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Because white nations (your description not mine) are the ones destabilizing regions and displacing millions of people.



I don't disagree. Read my first post.


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    #22709559 - 12/28/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You just think the powers that be are intentionally doing this to force multiculturalism onto the "native" white population in the west.

Lol

Lol

I can't even get any further. Why're you harping over race? Like oil, power and money have nothing to do with it. Why do you consider multiculturalism bad?


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    #22709568 - 12/28/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Your post sounds like a lot of the drivel the hammerskins used to write and pass out in zines before we pushed them outta Dallas. You're just a few words short of calling for white power.


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    #22709580 - 12/28/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't consider multicultralism bad. I have many friends from many different ethnic and religious backgrounds.

Your missing the point. OP's post was regarding genocide to which i replied and like a true anti white you have chimed in to make every thing about race.

Just call me a racist, i know you want to. That is the direction you are tring to head toward.


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    #22709594 - 12/28/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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You just think the powers that be are intentionally doing this to force multiculturalism onto the "native" white population in the west.

Lol

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Yes that is exactly what is happening


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    #22709608 - 12/28/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Bubbles, you make me :facepalm:

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I know here in Europe (and I'm talking every single EU country now) that we are being forced to assimilate with non white migrants from all over Northern Africa and the Middle East. With interracial interbreeding actively encouraged in certain member states.





Where is "interbreeding" encouraged?

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I feel that the current refugee crisis happening in the EU has been fabricated by the political elite on purpose, first by creating complete instability in the Middle East and then again by doing the same in Northern Africa by taking out Colonel Qaddafi in Libya.




what nonsense.. what political elites wanted this crisis? How is it proving beneficial for political elites of Europe to fabricate this crisis? This makes no sense.
Unless you are talking about the benefits comining to the far right - like the FN in France.. but they are not elites.

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The end purpose of all of this, is primarily to flood the EU with millions upon millions of non white Northern Africans and Arabs from the Middle East. Which as we now see is a full blown epidemic, with EU politicians refusing to do any thing to stop it, even offering an open door policy to every one and any one.




there is NO open door policy. Even Germany is imposing restrictions.

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This is also true for white Americans, with congress recently passing a bill to grant over 1.1 trillion dollars to be spent bringing non white immigrants from all over the Middle East in to the country.




what bill is this? you seem waaaay too fixated on white/nonwhite to pretend youre not a racist.

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All of this is being forced down the throats of every single white nation on Earth, under the false pretense of multiculturalism and diversity.

Have the native populations of these country's agreed or voted for this? No, it is forced by law and we have absolutely no say other than to assimilate and accept it and this makes it genocide.




This is not genocide. I suggest you look up the definition of genocide.

Airclay is completely correct that it is the "white nations" that have caused so much impoverishment and destruction in the world, destabilising and impoverishing, are you surprised they are getting some consequences?

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I know in Norway for instance that they have recently implemented a policy to make 1 in 3 new workers in the country non white by 2021 and with immigration and immigrant birth rates at there current level, native white Norwegians will be a minority with in there own country by 2045.

Had a similar law been passed to prevent new migrant workers, that would have been seen as racist. Yet making the new work force non white is seen as tolerance and diversity that must be accepted.




this is such a load of shit. The policy is to make 1 in 3 new workers non-white? what?

Often these countries have shrinking populations due to people not having children, and having an aging population. Sometimes you need immigrant labour to support the social security system in the long term. You keep breaking it down to white and non-white. but all your examples are not examples of genocide.

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Genocide on an industrial scale is happening right across the planet to whites and only white nations. Its time our race opened there eyes and stood up to the political elite anti white idiots, that are destroying our communities, heritage, culture and values.




ok ill do it for you..

genocide..

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gen·o·cide
ˈjenəˌsīd/
noun
noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
synonyms: mass murder, mass homicide, massacre; annihilation, extermination, elimination, liquidation, eradication, decimation, butchery, bloodletting; pogrom, ethnic cleansing, holocaust
"a tyrant guilty of genocide"




Bubbles, you are a racist and clearly misinformed.

You are from the UK right? me too. What natives are there in the UK? Most of the UK has origins outside of the UK. This has always been the case.

do you support Britain first? those idiots.. even their people come from immigrant families. If you are saying its ok because they are white then tell me how you are not racist?


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