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happy_funguy
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First Time Indoor Grow
#18837699 - 09/13/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello pplz, I am thinking of attempting my first indoor grow and wanted to run some ideas by you. Firstly, I have some spore prints on foil from some nice fresh golden tops I picked mid season this year in Melbourne. I did the prints myself but at the time had no idea that you were ment to press the caps for 24 hours. I only pressed the caps on foil for a few minutes each. Do you think its worth trying to grow with these prints or am I wasting my time because i didn't give the caps long enough to transfer the spores across? I have found an online source if the ones i have are no good but if i don't need to risk ordering them from overseas that would be ideal. If you have any info regarding this issue please let me know. My second question is anyone familiar with growing the Australian, or better yet Melbourne strain of golden tops indoors? I would like to know what are the ideal temps to keep this strain at through all steps of the growing process as the grow wild in Melbourne at the coldest time of the year. Friends of mine have suggested trying a strain that grows in warmer climates, as it may be easier to maintain the right temps needed indoors. I have watched many vids on the PF.TEK process and feel comfortable attempting it, i just want to be sure about these issues before i start. If anyone out there has any ideas please let me know.
Cheers,
Happy_Funguy
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Mush4Brains
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If you can see the print, you can use the print. If they're wild prints you're probably going to have to use agar. Start reading.
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happy_funguy
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Cheers Mush4Brians for the heads up. I have been reading about agar and the methods involved and would like to give them a go with the wild prints i have. In the mean time i am thinking i will order some prints from a supplier. The supplier i have chosen has my local strain instock as well as many others from other climates. I am still unsure if I can grow my local strain indoors due to the temp & cold conditions they grow in the wild. As i mentioned before one friend has recommended using a strain that grows naturally in warmer climates as it would be easier to replicate using the indoor, pf tek method. If someone could give me some advice regarding temps with different strains i would really appreciate it. My supplier has strains from all areas, cambodian, b+, australian, etc, etc. So if one is better than another to try for the first time please let me know.
Cheers
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bodhisatta 
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They're all the same they all will fruit indoors, If you do your job. The name on the outside doesn't matter they're all cubes. They all have the EXACT same growing parameters. Some "strains" have names like Hawaiian and cubes don't even grow there in the first place(some vendor just thought it sounded cool and would sell more).
see here. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18836421#18836421
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Mush4Brains
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Re: First Time Indoor Grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#18862683 - 09/19/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, I would recommend a pre-made syringe instead of a print.
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bodhisatta 
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and then,
I recommend steam sterilizing with your PF jars one jar with an appropriate lid filled with 100cc of distilled h2o. Squirt that syringe you get into the water jar and suck it up into 9 extra syringes. The syringe from a vendor is "potent" enough to expand 10x from my experiences. This will save you and keep you going for a while till you naturally desire to learn grain etc...
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happy_funguy
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Re: First Time Indoor Grow [Re: bodhisatta]
#18897608 - 09/27/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cheers guys! I have heard that if you use a substrate made of vermiculite and brown rice flour you can avoid having to buy a pressure cooker as boiling the jars in a normal kitchen pot with the lid on and the jars sitting above the boiling water for an hour will sterilize them properly. Apparently by using brown rice flour you don't need the high pressure/temp of the pressure cooker to sterilize the substrate. If this is correct this method would be ideal for me as i don't have or want to buy a pressure cooker. Has anyone used this method and has any advice on the subject? Is there an easier or better method for making the substrate the the vermiculite and brown rice flour method? any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers
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Kjetterfaen
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happy_funguy said: Cheers guys! I have heard that if you use a substrate made of vermiculite and brown rice flour you can avoid having to buy a pressure cooker as boiling the jars in a normal kitchen pot with the lid on and the jars sitting above the boiling water for an hour will sterilize them properly. Apparently by using brown rice flour you don't need the high pressure/temp of the pressure cooker to sterilize the substrate. If this is correct this method would be ideal for me as i don't have or want to buy a pressure cooker. Has anyone used this method and has any advice on the subject?
Yup, works like a charm. You'll need a big ass pot though.
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happy_funguy said: Is there an easier or better method for making the substrate the the vermiculite and brown rice flour method? any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers
BRF is about as easy as it gets. And without a PC I don't know of too many other alternatives.
Edited by Kjetterfaen (09/27/13 07:32 AM)
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happy_funguy
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Awesome! thanx heaps bro
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happy_funguy said: Cheers guys! I have heard that if you use a substrate made of vermiculite and brown rice flour you can avoid having to buy a pressure cooker as boiling the jars in a normal kitchen pot with the lid on and the jars sitting above the boiling water for an hour will sterilize them properly. Apparently by using brown rice flour you don't need the high pressure/temp of the pressure cooker to sterilize the substrate. If this is correct this method would be ideal for me as i don't have or want to buy a pressure cooker. Has anyone used this method and has any advice on the subject? Is there an easier or better method for making the substrate the the vermiculite and brown rice flour method? any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers
I have sucessfully used BRF and Verm in a pot to steam steralise, I steam for 2 hrs+ to ensure that the heat penetrates the whole jar. I have also had success growing on grain using a spore syringe from a local vendor (search the forums for 'MycologyMarket' for the Discord link: 1. Rye grains from a homebrew store, approx $5.50 per kilo however. 2. Wild Bird Seed WBS purchased from Woolworths ($5 for 2.5kgs), get the 'Frankie & Friends, Budgie & Canary' one as it mostly consists of Millet.
When using the above grains I've found that adding a ratio of 100g grain and 75ml water for each of WBS and Rye to jars and steaming them produces well hydrated grains that grow well. Be sure to shake the jars well before innoculating to mix up the more hydrated grains from the bottom. There is a risk that endospores on the grains will survive the steaming process so you will find TEKs that recommend steeping the grains overnight to 'trick' the endospores into germinating which are then killed by the steaming process. But I have have been lucky so far and not had any contams.
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