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permafrying
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first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq
#18017861 - 03/27/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Figured I'd start a grow log instead of making a bunch of threads with the various questions in sure I will have. I started off with 18 jars. I ment to make 16 but ended up miscounting lol. Made for a lot of work.
Fallowed the pf tek to the letter with the exception of steeam sterelizing. I decided to wait to start until I had a pressure cooker went with a presto 23 qt I did the jars at 15 psi for a full 90 over heard less is fine for brf cakes but I wanted to air on the safe side
I nock of 8 jars with equal and 10 with b+ recieved from a sponsor about two weeks ago. I recieved my ksss spores a week ago and made up 6 jars with a full syringe since I ordered 3. Theu germimated on the way here so I refrigerated right away.
The eq took off like crazy I already have 5 of them dunking and 1 b+ I plan of putting them in my FC tonight. I have two more cakes at almost 100 so I'll probably get them birthed by Sunday in thinking. The b+ have been going pretty slow and not all of the noc points maybe others was the syringe or I didn't let the needle cool down enough the syringse were pretty clear but spores are mycroscopic. The ksss are taking off like crazy already almost caught up to Most of my slower jars.
I also saved a CC from the the eq and b + and made up 3 lcs one for each strain I used 1 1/2 tsp honey/corn syrup mix and the same ammount Karo for the ksss and a 2 tsp Karo solution for the other two so I could see the difference and I wasn't to sure about the dollar store honey and I had enough ksss to make another of it didn't turn out. I PC'd all 3 at 5psis for 25 minutes came out perfect. The ksss is going fastest but that coud be because they were already germinated. But either way it's day 4 and there all coming along nicely.
I have everythong in a tub in tub I just got tuned in yesterday I know incubation isnt needed but I can'the afford to keep the heat on contstantly and it gets way to cold here.
I plan on starting some wbs and spawning to a coir/Verm monotub as soon as I have the cash together for all the supplies. I'm hoping that'll be soon.
So my questions so far. Is my 106 qt FC to big for only starting with 6 cakes I'm not planning on making it a shotgun FC because of the ridiculously low humidity here. Like 10%. Just perlite fan and mist.
My other question is about testing my lcs. Should I do brf or wbs. Do I need to run them all the way out to fruit or just until there's a decent amount of colonisation
I know this is really long so thanks to anyone that takes the time to read it I'll be keeping it updated and I'll have some pics soon
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18017874 - 03/27/13 08:16 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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permafrying said: So my questions so far. Is my 106 qt FC to big for only starting with 6 cakes
Nope, the bigger the better the air will flow.
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permafrying said: My other question is about testing my lcs. Should I do brf or wbs. Do I need to run them all the way out to fruit or just until there's a decent amount of colonisation
BRF or grains, either will work.
I would wait until full colonization of whatever you are knocking up.
If it fully colonizes with a hitch, then I would consider the LC clean.
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18017881 - 03/27/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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The eq took off like crazy I already have 5 of them dunking and 1 b+ I plan of putting them in my FC tonight. I have two more cakes at almost 100 so I'll probably get them birthed by Sunday in thinking. The b+ have been going pretty slow and not all of the noc points maybe others was the syringe or I didn't let the needle cool down enough the syringse were pretty clear but spores are mycroscopic. The ksss are taking off like crazy already almost caught up to Most of my slower jars.
you should let your jars consolidate for 7 days once they reach 100% before you birth.
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I plan on starting some wbs and spawning to a coir/Verm monotub as soon as I have the cash together for all the supplies. I'm hoping that'll be soon.
best line in the post 
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Is my 106 qt FC to big for only starting with 6 cakes I'm not planning on making it a shotgun FC because of the ridiculously low humidity here. Like 10%. Just perlite fan and mist.
Size is fine, perlite is useless if you dont have a properly designed SGFC. perlite needs airflow to be effective.
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My other question is about testing my lcs. Should I do brf or wbs. Do I need to run them all the way out to fruit or just until there's a decent amount of colonisation
You dont have to fruit them, you just want to make sure that only mushroom mycelium is growing from your LC. WBS BRF is the dominant method tho my last 2 test jars were 1/2 pint WBS jars, when there clean you can GTG 2 masters from a 1/2 pint.
Edited by MoGrow (03/27/13 08:23 AM)
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: PussyFart]
#18017886 - 03/27/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: If it fully colonizes with without a hitch, then I would consider the LC clean.
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: MoGrow]
#18017889 - 03/27/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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MoGrow said:
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Notahacker420 said: If it fully colonizes with without a hitch, then I would consider the LC clean.
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: PussyFart]
#18017892 - 03/27/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive got your back broski.
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: MoGrow]
#18017930 - 03/27/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well that was quick. To much to quote since I'm on my phone. So I'll test with brf wait till 100 and call it good. Is it a bad idea not to go with the sgfc I'm just worried about it getting to dry given where I live but I want it to go smoothly and not have to worry about a lack of fae. The cakes that are dunked consolidated from a range of about 6 to 4 days I needed to make more jars and have heard allot of people only doing a few days
Edited by permafrying (03/27/13 08:43 AM)
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18017941 - 03/27/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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I misread what you said, sorry.
The bigger the SGFC the better, it will get more airflow.
A SGFC will work just fine in just about any climate, it creates its own humidity from the water evaporating off of the perlite.
A SGFC is what is mostly recommended for cakes because of its versatility.
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Edited by PussyFart (03/27/13 08:44 AM)
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18017961 - 03/27/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Patience is your best friend in this hobby, i learned this the hard way as im sure most of us do, first grows all exciting and want to see more, i couldnt leave my jars alone.. i was checking them every 6 hours lol.
Ive since learned through many post reads and personal exp. that whether you leave them in the jar to consolidate, or you birth them at 100% there gonna consolidate. It stands to reason that leaving them in the jars for this time period does a couple things.
1. It keeps your culture clean of contam spores for that extra 7 days B. as soon as you birth them you have to start misting 4+ times a day and fanning 5+ times a day, that can be avoided by leaving them in there jars. 3. I cant remember what the 3rd one i had in mind was.... derp
All substrates consolidate, jars, tubs dosent matter, when a monotub gets ready to fruit it will shrink away from the side of the tub just like it does in the jar.
All tho you can birth at 100% with no ill effects, why would you, it would be like inducing labor for no reason other than to have a baby early, its just gonna sit in the pediatrics ward before you can take it home. (bad analogy? IDK worked in my head)
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: MoGrow]
#18018071 - 03/27/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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MoGrow said: Patience is your best friend in this hobby, i learned this the hard way as im sure most of us do, first grows all exciting and want to see more, i couldnt leave my jars alone.. i was checking them every 6 hours lol.
Ive since learned through many post reads and personal exp. that whether you leave them in the jar to consolidate, or you birth them at 100% there gonna consolidate. It stands to reason that leaving them in the jars for this time period does a couple things.
1. It keeps your culture clean of contam spores for that extra 7 days B. as soon as you birth them you have to start misting 4+ times a day and fanning 5+ times a day, that can be avoided by leaving them in there jars. 3. I cant remember what the 3rd one i had in mind was.... derp
All substrates consolidate, jars, tubs dosent matter, when a monotub gets ready to fruit it will shrink away from the side of the tub just like it does in the jar.
All tho you can birth at 100% with no ill effects, why would you, it would be like inducing labor for no reason other than to have a baby early, its just gonna sit in the pediatrics ward before you can take it home. (bad analogy? IDK worked in my head)
Interesting I didnt know they consolidated after birth but thinking about it I don't see why they wouldnt. lol you're anology fits. My main reason for birthimg a little early was to free up the jars I'm trying to make atleast 6 cakes a week to have be a cycle going until I'm comfertable enough with monotubs to switch over . And I've been trying to learn patience for years you'd think it'd be easier with how my boss is lol. I'm constantly checking my jars I try not to pick em up unless I'm looking for contams though
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18018111 - 03/27/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do what you do. Thoes are just the rationals behind consolidating in the jars, im not a mycologist so i cant speak from a scientific PoV. Ive done it both ways.
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: MoGrow]
#18018697 - 03/27/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Drilling my sgfc right now. Huge pita. I'm assuming this things going to leak water with the holes on yet bottom so what should I do to catch the water. Or will it just retain
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18018893 - 03/27/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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it wont leak.. you shouldnt be putting dripping wet perlite in it anyways. you may get a couple drops at first.. i dont but you may.. but nothing to worry about.
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: MoGrow]
#18022596 - 03/28/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Didn't leak at all. Perlite was messy though not sure how everyone manages to kick up dust. But I have my 6 cakes in my sgfc 5 eq and one b+. I rolled in dry Verm and put a little pile on top of the cake and lightly wetted it then misted to help the Verm I rolled in and fanned.
3 more jars hit 100 last night so I'll be birthing 2 more b+ and one Moore eq next Wednesday
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18043365 - 04/01/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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so far humidity in the sgfc has been very low. had to tape up a bunch of holes and add more perlite. almost all of my jars are 100% with the exception of the few that didnt germinate on all inoculation points i made up 6 quart jars of wbs and 6 more pf jars last night and inoculated this morning. did 3 of the pf with coffee and ran out of brown rice so there half brown rice half white rice we'll see how they do. that used up all my spores but luckily i recieved a couple prints today from a member any advice on how to make a clean syringe from these without a glovebox? and finally i have some pics for you
 heres 6 of my jars in the sgfc before adding tape
 my best lc, the honey/corn syrup and karo mix pics arent that great but allot of growth so far especially considering the other 2.
 one of my ksss jars nice rhizo growth colonized crazy quick

and finally one of my slow jars this one only germinated on one inoculation point but its getting pretty close to being done still i took a pic of what was left to colonize
ill take some pics of the wbs after they actually do something. do you think it's to early to test my lc?
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18061737 - 04/05/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Been keeping a wet towel over over the FC and it's been working great. Pins everywhere! I'll get some pics up soon when I can get on the Comp. Also have 4 jars in quarantine noticing some weird (to me) growth theyve been there for awhile though and nothing bad going on one started pinning I'm just gonna let it go invitro. Maybe give it it's own little quart jar FC to see how that goes. The wbs has been colonising pretty nicely ones a little slow but I made 6 and only need 5 for damians coir tek so no big deal. Dunking more cakes tonight sgfc will be nice n fullish soon
im hoping I'll be harvesting by the 9the thatd make it one full month from inoculation to harvest
Edited by permafrying (04/05/13 09:51 AM)
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18062284 - 04/05/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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try the chronic tek for your qaurt jar idea, it seems to work pretty good.
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: cronicr]
#18066285 - 04/06/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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no pics unfortunetaly but need an answer really quick had a cake turn green just saw it and tossed it this morning what do I do with everything else. All of the cakes are pinning fine including the one I just tossed. There's some bright white growth on another cake that looks similiar to what turned green. Please answer fast don't want to lose everything
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: permafrying]
#18066301 - 04/06/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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permafrying said: no pics unfortunetaly but need an answer really quick had a cake turn green just saw it and tossed it this morning what do I do with everything else. All of the cakes are pinning fine including the one I just tossed. There's some bright white growth on another cake that looks similiar to what turned green. Please answer fast don't want to lose everything
Hawk em, as soon as you see green toss it, other wise let em grow
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Re: first grow Pf to bulk b+,ksss, eq [Re: MoGrow]
#18066393 - 04/06/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like a plan. Let's hope they atleast finish fruiting have some awesome pinsets
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