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Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic.
#16581523 - 07/24/12 06:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am now of the school of thought that the scope of how we look at psychedelics needs to change to better reflect the meaning of the term.
Humphrey Osmond coined the term "psychedelic" during a correspondence with aldous huxley where they were talking about the potential of these new compounds. They defined the term as meaning "Mind(psyche)-Manifesting(delic).
We as conscious beings are at the base level sensory organisms. We take in input and stimulus from our environment, Our body and mind process the input and after a small delay a projection of our environment is created, the world you see before you when you open your eyes is shown to you, but it is still just that, a projection created by chemical reactions in your brain from sensory input, you use this projection to navigate through your surroundings.
Looking at it from this prospective, the endogenous chemicals used by your brain to create your perception of reality are the actually more psychedelic than the compounds we see as psychedelics. The chemicals that are used to creat baseline sobriety are are more strictly psychedelic than LSD. They are actually manifesting your mind from sensory input.
External psychedelics/psychoactives can be better described as secondary psychedelics because they only alter the perception/projection of the environment as created by your own endogenous chemicals that literally manifest your mind.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: sui]
#16581631 - 07/24/12 06:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think its important to understand that the brain and the mind are not the same thing.
the mind does not actually exist in the physical dimension, its a strange entity that i personally do not know how to explain, but it is created by our brains.
I dont really understand your point though, you're saying that our dopamine and seratonin is a psychedelic.... ok, i guess i get that, but im not about to start calling my acid a secondary psychedelic because you say so.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: sailing]
#16581925 - 07/24/12 07:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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In that LSD does not manifest your mind in the same sense as the psychedelic soup of chemicals used to create your awareness. LSD alters your perception of the stimulus that is used to create your projection of your environment.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: sui]
#16581966 - 07/24/12 07:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've always understood Alper's definition like this:
at baseline, the mind does it's thing and allows us to perceive the world.
With the help of psychedelics in the narrow sense (the definition you're bringing into question), we perceive the mind itself in its processes of perception. Whereas the senses are normally presumed to offer a window onto the world (or something like that), with the mind "manifested" we begin to notice the texture of the glass and become aware that any window necessarily has a frame.
The psychedilic mind, then -- the manifested mind -- is a kind of "meta-mind" engaged in second-order thought and perception.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: sui]
#16582017 - 07/24/12 07:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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In that LSD does not manifest your mind in the same sense as the psychedelic soup of chemicals used to create your awareness.
There are a lot of religious/areligious undertones flowing through what you're conveying.
But for the sake of discussion, it is my belief that reality is not simply a psychedelic soup of chemicals, no more than the concept of love is simply a chemical reaction and does not actually exist. I believe life is more than just chemicals firing in our brains, but that the brains are the physical manifestations of our minds. (Brain = physical, mind = spiritual)
I also tend to believe that by taking psychedelic compounds, we as humans, are able to effectively enter into the spiritual realm.
There are several ways (IMHO) for humans to enter into the spiritual realm, some of these are:
-prayer -meditation/music -fasting -hypnosis/alternative medicine such as acupunture, etc.. -death -phychoactive substances/chems/plants -rituals/rites
Also, I believe that psychedelics expand our minds to illuminate more than we are used to "seeing/knowing" in everyday mundane life.
In other words, I think there is something beyond this world, and psychedelics transcend me up into that world, if only temporarily.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: Me_Roy]
#16582018 - 07/24/12 07:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never liked that way to look at it though i do agree that that is what they were getting at when they coined the term. Baseline sobriety is so vauge, a persons brain chemistry is going to vary greatly from person to person.
I think taking it strictly down to the literal meaning of what chemicals actually manifest your mind gives a different way to look at these drugs. I think if people started looking at their own consciousness as the most psychedelic thing out there some of the fear and stigma can be addressed.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: sui]
#16582041 - 07/24/12 07:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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elaborate more on the religious undertones please, I am curious as to what you extrapolated from my thoughts.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: sui]
#16582049 - 07/24/12 07:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pretty sure Humphry Osmond coined the word psychedelic.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: s240779]
#16582075 - 07/24/12 07:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Youre right, it was osmaond and huxley, not alpert and metzner.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: Synapse Trap]
#16582078 - 07/24/12 07:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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Synapse Trap said:
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In that LSD does not manifest your mind in the same sense as the psychedelic soup of chemicals used to create your awareness.
There are a lot of religious/areligious undertones flowing through what you're conveying.
But for the sake of discussion, it is my belief that reality is not simply a psychedelic soup of chemicals, no more than the concept of love is simply a chemical reaction and does not actually exist. I believe life is more than just chemicals firing in our brains, but that the brains are the physical manifestations of our minds. (Brain = physical, mind = spiritual)
I also tend to believe that by taking psychedelic compounds, we as humans, are able to effectively enter into the spiritual realm.
There are several ways (IMHO) for humans to enter into the spiritual realm, some of these are:
-prayer -meditation/music -fasting -hypnosis/alternative medicine such as acupunture, etc.. -death -phychoactive substances/chems/plants -rituals/rites
Also, I believe that psychedelics expand our minds to illuminate more than we are used to "seeing/knowing" in everyday mundane life.
In other words, I think there is something beyond this world, and psychedelics transcend me up into that world, if only temporarily.
I like everything you described in this post. I totally agree.
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Re: Changing the understanding of the term Psychedelic. [Re: FakePlasticSky]
#16582328 - 07/24/12 08:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago) |
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the thing, is, acid has such a powerful effect on your brain,if youve ever read or seen about how the brain fires when its on acid, the whole thing is temporarily re-wired in such a way that your sense become blended together. hence the experience of feeling colors and seeing sounds
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