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    #13084927 - 08/21/10 11:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

well i am back again and been reading about using wbs and coco coir

so far i have got my wbs,pollyfill and quart jar's
so do i need tyvek as well to put between then lid and the seal or can i use coffer filters as well with pollyfilly ?

and do i just mix my colonized wbs with the coco coir after it's been pasteurized and the moister is right and then seal the top of the tote and let it do it's thing yeah i am a noob when it comes to working with wbs and all of that thanks for any info or advice


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13084965 - 08/22/10 12:01 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

1. There are different ways to do your lid.  One that is easy to explain would be cut out tyvek to fit over the lid.  drill a 1/4 inch hole in the lid.  Put the tyvek on the outside of the lid, and screw the ring down. (I actually use self sealing lids, there is a tek around here somewhere for it.)

2.  Yea, if you are using just strait coir, no other additives, just pasteurize the coir, and dump it into the bottom of the monotub (or whatever you're using) after it has cooled down for a few hours in the strainer.  Then dump the jars of colonized seed in there, and mix it in real good with gloves, or just washed hands. 
After that I put aluminum foil directly on top of the substrate, covering it all, and poke about 20 holes with a tooth pick.  then I put the top on the tub, and put it in the top of my closet.
Don't peek at it for 7 days, then check on it.  I let mine colonize until its all white, and solid, then I take the foil off, and put it under the light.

Good luck man.


Good luck man

Edit: I just wanted to add that I always turn my a/c off for at least an hour before doing any of this.  Better safe than sorry, and the last thing you want is a bunch of flying germs on uncolonized coir.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: HiddenIdentity]
    #13085004 - 08/22/10 12:18 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yeah i didnt turn off my a/c once and i learn that the hard way

but thanks i am just trying to get ready and do a mono tub

or could i just use a coffee filter put over the mouth of jar and the lid then the ring or would that allow moister to get inside ? even though i will have tin foil over the tops of them


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13085014 - 08/22/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Coffe filters don't really stop shit.  I mean they stop like bread crumbs or something like that, but they don't stop any kind of contam that's going to get into your jar.

Gimme a few mins and I will find that tek for the self sealing lids.  Best time investment I ever made cause you can just re-use them over and over without having to change tyvek or anything.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: HiddenIdentity]
    #13085018 - 08/22/10 12:26 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Here dude.  That's the kind of lids you need, trust me.  I use 2 layers of tyvek over the hole, and they breath fine.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13085390 - 08/22/10 05:38 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

hiddenidentity has some good info here. the only thing is when letting you're spawn/substrate mix colonize in you're monotub there is no need to cover it with foil. it'll colonize just fine in 7-10 days (with proper spawn ratio) without it, just sitting in the monotub. but other than that spot on bruv.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: blood4blood]
    #13085520 - 08/22/10 07:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

hey thanks for the info just wanted to clear that up before doing something dumb lol but i will get some tyvek tomorrow

thanks again HiddenIdentity and blood4blood


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13085534 - 08/22/10 07:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Eh, I like to cover mine with aliminum foil.  I think less air keeps it from pinning until it is completely colonized.  Completely colonized substrate has a lot less of a chance of contaminating.  Also in RRs videos, he covered with aliminum foil, and used a knife to stab a few holes.  I have been doing that ever since watching the video when I first started growing.  To each his own I suppose, I was just letting hellbilly know the way I do it.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: HiddenIdentity]
    #13085687 - 08/22/10 08:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

well all i have done is cakes and i just wanna move up from that it was a very good learning experience

hey hidden do you just do trays or mono

i think i wanna do mono but i just dont know since i have 12 quart jars how many tubs that will make and i got the 3 bricks of coir from petco for around 10 bucks and the bird seed i got has hulled sunflower,millet,cracked corn,peanuts,canary seed,and calcium carbonate will that be fine i thought it would so i got it


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13085697 - 08/22/10 09:00 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

when i did mono's i did 1 brick of coir with about 3 qrts of a manure/verm/coffee mix so 13 qrts total because 1 brick of coir will give you approx 10 qrts. and spawned that to 5 qrts of spawn.

you could probably do two mono's with what you have.

id try and find some better wbs too.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: blood4blood]
    #13085716 - 08/22/10 09:11 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

well the only reason i got that cause it was like 7 bucks but do u think this will work for now till i get more funds ?


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13085746 - 08/22/10 09:32 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

yea im sure it'll work. just try and get all the peanuts out


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: blood4blood]
    #13085805 - 08/22/10 09:49 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

After you mix your spawn and bulk substrate in the tub place the lid on and the place inside a large garbage bag with the open end twisted shut so as to keep a high c02 environment...the lids on these tubs aren't air tight,so best t place in a trash bag.

Don't peak until day 10 or 14 of tub colonization.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: blood4blood]
    #13085988 - 08/22/10 10:53 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

ok good deal i believe i can do that thanks for the help man


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13086014 - 08/22/10 10:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

sounds good to me Mad_Hatter2004  i try to use a tray once and i used some cakes just to be messing around and yeah i looked to much lol and got a contam but lesson learned

so after my jars are done and are ready to put in the tub do i have to mix in manure and verm and all of that i have the verm and can get some manure from the field next door if needed


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13086084 - 08/22/10 11:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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sounds good to me Mad_Hatter2004  i try to use a tray once and i used some cakes just to be messing around and yeah i looked to much lol and got a contam but lesson learned

so after my jars are done and are ready to put in the tub do i have to mix in manure and verm and all of that i have the verm and can get some manure from the field next door if needed





Don't use manure unless it is field aged and dried manure...you don't want manure from the stables.Manure from the field has had time to get leached of all piss/ammonia that was in it,and all the sun does is dry it out,then it rains again and leaches some more...repeat until there is no piss/ammonia smell and all that is left is a nice earthy smell.

What I would do since it's your first time doing bulk is to just use Damion5050's coir tek.

18 gallon monotub,gets 1 brick of coco coir,2 quarts of vermiculite.

Place your brick of coir in an empty 5 gallon bucket,next add your 2 quarts of vermiculite.Now take 4 to 4.5 quarts of water and bring it to a boil,after it has come to a boil take it and dump it into the 5 gallon bucket containing your brick of coir and the 2 quarts of vermiculite...place the lid on the bucket securely.

After 30-60 minutes has passed comeback to the bucket and open it up and stir everything up really well with a heavy duty plastic,metal,or wooden spoon/spatula (like a soup serving spoon) and then place the lid back on for 2-4 hours.After the 2-4 hours come back mic everything up real well again and then using a meat thermometer take a temperature reading at the center of the bulk substrate...if the temperature reads above 80/90° F place the lid back on the ucket for another 2-4 hours.Come back again and take a temperature reading again,if the temperature comes back at 80° F or below it is now time to add the bulk substrate to the 18 gallon monotub.

Now,there are two ways you can do this...


1) just dump most of the bulk substrate in the 18 gallon monotub (saving a bit as a top layer) then add most of your spawn and mixing really really well,then add the last quart jar or two to the top layer,then use the bit of bulk substrate you saved to cover the top layer of grains lightly (don't cover more then say 1/4").Then place lid on mono tub,either stuff holes tightly with polyfill or tape over them,then place in a large trashbag with the open end twisted shut or taped shut.On day 10 or 14 take a look.If it's fully colonized remove polyfill or tape and re stuff the holes loosely (not too loose,not too tight,it will take toying around with to get right) and introduce fruiting conditions...or wait a week longer to do so.


2) Dump a little bulk substrate,then some spawn,then some bulk substrate,then some spawn....layer your spawn and bulk substrate...everything else done just like above.


If you use manure,coffee grounds,or any item for a bulk substrate that can contaminate easily (coco coir is pretty resilient against contams) then you'll not want to use the boiling water in a bucket pasteurization method and will want to properly pasteurize any manure,castings,compost,or spent coffee grounds.

Take a look at how LiquidMyce does it....that's proper pasteurization right there...

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13024733#13024733

Just try to keep the temperature of the substrate between 140° F and 160° F for 1-2 hours without letting the temperature of the bulk substrate get over 160° F anytime during the 1-2 hours and you'll be golden!


If you want to mix sme manure in with your coir/vermiculite I would bring it all to field capacity first then pasteurize as LiquidMyce does.


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Re: new to wbs and coir [Re: hellbilly81]
    #13086232 - 08/22/10 11:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

thanks alot man i think i am set then wish me luck and i will keep ya updated


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