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Saturdayraining
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Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, guide v 3.0
#11913603 - 01/27/10 06:20 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Hi everyone, I've been a reader online for years, and now that i will soon be attempting my first large scale grow, I've decided to make a post.
Being the obsessive type that I am, and wanting to do everything right, i have outlined the entire procedure in an easy to follow format, and I thought I should put it on here, in case it is beneficial to anyone. It is a rye-grain based grow.
A lot of it is based on "the psilocybin mushroom handbook" as well as "the mushroom cultivator" (stamets), and reading of these forum.
I am looking for maximum harvests, obviously, and I would appreciate some proof reading, in terms of growing temperatures for different stages, or anything else that isn't as Fungi-friendly as it could be. It is a short read, in step-by-step format, 4 pages, pdf (there are more pages, such as how to build a laminar flow hood and calculations and supplies needed, but not part of the main part) I am not against experimenting, since I will be using four 17x22x7 bus-tubs
I have some specific questions, such as ideal substrate depth (I went for 5", since PMH said 2" to 6" for large harvests, but that seemed a bit excessive to me)
Also, Stamets in "the mushroom cultivator" says there is a 5-10 day post casing/pre-pinning stage where it should be kept at different temperatures and with no light.
after what seems like a lot of opinions, does anyone know if dunking the rye berries before casing is beneficial or necessary? also, I know some growers cold-shock their shroomies before fruiting, and i just wanted to know which varieties needed this treatment, or somewhere where I can find important info like this on different varieties of cubensis.
I will also be using this thread to post all steps in the grow process, so If you want to see all of that, please help me out to see if iv'e made any errors
Thanks a lot everyone!
-Saturday
Edited by Saturdayraining (01/29/10 05:18 PM)
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11913666 - 01/27/10 06:31 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Usually you cold shock a jar that is fully colonized but not pinning. Not really needed for every jar that you do.
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Caine]
#11913727 - 01/27/10 06:39 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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"Expect 2-4 pounds of mushrooms per square foot" is as far as I got.
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Doc_T]
#11913755 - 01/27/10 06:43 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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well, according to stamets, this is reasonable over a 5 week cropping period- its actually verbatim from the mushroom cultivator, written in 1983, with 1983 techniques, so I don't see why it wouldn't be valid today. It means total flushes, in case you thought otherwise
-Saturday
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Edited by Saturdayraining (01/27/10 06:46 PM)
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11913906 - 01/27/10 07:06 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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4-Hydroxy-DMT said: Usually you cold shock a jar that is fully colonized but not pinning. Not really needed for every jar that you do.
cold shocking is old outdated info, there is no reason to cold shockQuote:
Doc_T said: "Expect 2-4 pounds of mushrooms per square foot" is as far as I got.
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Saturdayraining said: well, according to stamets, this is reasonable over a 5 week cropping period- its actually verbatim from the mushroom cultivator, written in 1983, with 1983 techniques, so I don't see why it wouldn't be valid today. It means total flushes, in case you thought otherwise
-Saturday
unless ive done something wrong, ive never gotten 2-4 pounds per square foot, thats an old book with great insight, but outdated in many ways, a recent member grew 12 or 16, 18 gallon mono tubs, flushed them numerous numerous times, and only got 9 pounds "only i know" ill look for the link
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Montock]
#11913927 - 01/27/10 07:08 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11361929 check this grow out if your looking to go bulk, the op is friendly also
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Montock]
#11913961 - 01/27/10 07:12 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Ah, thank you for the info. Like I said, I've never grown in bulk, so outdated things like this are lost on me. As for the cold-shock, I had not heard much about it either, but then I saw this in spores101 description of the gulf coast mushroom:
This one definitely benefits from cold-shocking. Without it, fruiting will be delayed and the casing may suffer from strome and overlay. This strain is a very heavy spore depositor too.
that threw me for a loop.....sooooo.... maybe there are a few other varieties that benefit from it too? I don't know
Austin
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Montock]
#11914018 - 01/27/10 07:20 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Wow! great! thanks for the link. I may make some changes to my setup based on that I had been thinking of using a grow tent for humidity, since Ill only have like 4 tubs right now. But I really like the idea of those rubbermaid containers, each with its own light, to help minimize possible contamination. humidity is a bitch like this though, and it looks like a lot of work to pump that humidity around...
Austin
-------------------- - Saturday I have a lot of friends in the drug culture. I try to help them out by posting on here, and sometimes they put stuff up without my permission, but I do not condone or commit any acts described. “In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion" -Carl Sagan Anyone have some Macrocybe Titans spores or samples? PM me
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11914059 - 01/27/10 07:26 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Saturdayraining said: Ah, thank you for the info. Like I said, I've never grown in bulk, so outdated things like this are lost on me. As for the cold-shock, I had not heard much about it either, but then I saw this in spores101 description of the gulf coast mushroom:
This one definitely benefits from cold-shocking. Without it, fruiting will be delayed and the casing may suffer from strome and overlay. This strain is a very heavy spore depositor too.
that threw me for a loop.....sooooo.... maybe there are a few other varieties that benefit from it too? I don't know
Austin
spores101 is a bunch of crap, dont take anything they say serious. For up to date info and teks check the link in my sig. Its has allot of notes that will update you as far as old info goes, like the 86 degrees is the shit theory. Or keep colonizing jars in the dark....
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: TacoHerder]
#11914072 - 01/27/10 07:28 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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TacoHerder said:
spores101 is a bunch of crap, dont take anything they say serious. For up to date info and teks check the link in my sig. Its has allot of notes that will update you as far as old info goes, like the 86 degrees is the shit theory. Or keep colonizing jars in the dark....
this guy knows whats up!
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Saturdayraining
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: TacoHerder]
#11914115 - 01/27/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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WOW. I'd been looking for something just like that for i dont know how long *saves all to computer*
Ignore my PDF.
all will be revised and updated in version 2.0 Thanks so much.
Expect an update tomorrow or the day after tomorrow with a new guide. not that all that info isnt necessary, this is just supposed to be a straight forward how-to, without much "whys" to have a checklist while i'm doing it.
Saturday
-------------------- - Saturday I have a lot of friends in the drug culture. I try to help them out by posting on here, and sometimes they put stuff up without my permission, but I do not condone or commit any acts described. “In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion" -Carl Sagan Anyone have some Macrocybe Titans spores or samples? PM me
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11914167 - 01/27/10 07:46 PM (14 years, 3 days ago) |
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: TacoHerder]
#11921491 - 01/28/10 11:15 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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ALRIGHT
after reading the entire bulk of information, I have completely revised and updated my guide. but I still have a few questions:
How, exactly, do i use the perlite? I've gleaned that it goes under the substrate, and it saturated, but how do i hydrate it and is 4-5" a good amount?
I keep reading hints that I should let the spawn colonize the casing before introducing all of the pinning triggers. how do I do that?
ive only read info on that link about metal lids, and placement of the filter disc on the outside of the jar. I am planning to use the plastic storage lids, as they seem easier to deal with. in this case does the filter paper go under the lid, not over it?
Lastly, what exactly is an ideal thickness for the substrate depth? this seems pretty straighforward...but i can seem to find any mentioning other than in my PMH.
Thanks again everyone!
Saturday
-------------------- - Saturday I have a lot of friends in the drug culture. I try to help them out by posting on here, and sometimes they put stuff up without my permission, but I do not condone or commit any acts described. “In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion" -Carl Sagan Anyone have some Macrocybe Titans spores or samples? PM me
Edited by Saturdayraining (01/28/10 11:19 PM)
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11921553 - 01/28/10 11:27 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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How, exactly, do i use the perlite? I've gleaned that it goes under the substrate, and it saturated, but how do i hydrate it and is 4-5" a good amount?
i put my perlite in strainers, take them to the tub and spray them down till its completely soaked and it wont absorb any more tater, and drain them till it stops dripping
I keep reading hints that I should let the spawn colonize the casing before introducing all of the pinning triggers. how do I do that?
i dont case, never found a need to, but when you do, you apply the casing layer and put cover it back up and let it sit ilke you did with the bulk colonization
filters always go on the outside, although when i first started i put some tyvek filters on the inside and they worked, probally noob luck but keep them on the outside
subtrate depth you want like 3-5inch with 4 being optimal, but if your using perlite and casing's you can probally get away with a bit thinner, but dont push the envelope
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Montock]
#11921656 - 01/28/10 11:45 PM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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but the lids are plastic one piece- how does the filter even fit on the outside?
and I still need a bit of clearing up on the casing colonization- after pouring the substrate in, i should cover it with wax paper and allow it to sit until.... when? how do I know when to stop and start the pinning? I wouldn't want overlay...y
Saturday
-------------------- - Saturday I have a lot of friends in the drug culture. I try to help them out by posting on here, and sometimes they put stuff up without my permission, but I do not condone or commit any acts described. “In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion" -Carl Sagan Anyone have some Macrocybe Titans spores or samples? PM me
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11921743 - 01/29/10 12:04 AM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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ok for lids, dont mess with filter disk make it easy on your self, punch a small hole threw them and stuff polyfill thru the hole and take scissors and trim them up
you mix your colonized jars(bulk) of rye/wbs, to whatever bulk substrate you want to use, coir/poo/compost, after the spawn colnizes the bulk 100% you than put a thin layer say one quarter inch of casing material on top of that, than let it colonize that in the same fashion as the bulk, meaning no fresh air, no addded moisture, light doesnt matter, and temp doesnt eighter, than when thats like 20-30% colonized on the surface, introduce that to fruitting conditions, dont mess around with wax, that info is whack, works but is 10 years outdated
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Montock]
#11921776 - 01/29/10 12:14 AM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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polyfill! how would that stop contaminants at all from entering the jars? its like having a sieve on top
and wax? hm? what wax?
thanks for the colonizing info
-------------------- - Saturday I have a lot of friends in the drug culture. I try to help them out by posting on here, and sometimes they put stuff up without my permission, but I do not condone or commit any acts described. “In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion" -Carl Sagan Anyone have some Macrocybe Titans spores or samples? PM me
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11921832 - 01/29/10 12:32 AM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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Saturdayraining said: but the lids are plastic one piece- how does the filter even fit on the outside?
and I still need a bit of clearing up on the casing colonization- after pouring the substrate in, i should cover it with wax paper and allow it to sit until.... when? how do I know when to stop and start the pinning? I wouldn't want overlay...y
Saturday
the wax you where talking about, dont mess with it
when you punch a hole in the lid and stuff polyfill in it, it allows air but the pollyfill catches all the contams, it works, its all i use, i used to use tyvek, but switched to polyfill exclusivly, due to ease of use, easy to find, and im still on the same pillow i bought a year ago, the only issue i have with contams are from fucking up my grains, which i havent done in a long time and a bad lc, i dont remember the last time i got a contam from a g2g, or from a good lc with polyfill id(knock on wood), just try to not let them get wet
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Montock]
#11921840 - 01/29/10 12:33 AM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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to corret myself before someone else does, to allow GE, not to let air in, unless your using with your fruitting chanber
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Re: Full guide to large(er) scale cultivation, need proof reading [Re: Saturdayraining]
#11921922 - 01/29/10 12:51 AM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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how wouldnt polyfill stop contaminants??
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