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unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2
#9290654 - 11/22/08 09:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am always derailed when talking to people about mind or consciousness, and they start bringing in unconscious mind, or subconscious mind.
Mostly I think it is just a bit sloppy, unconscious mind to me is like asleep, conked, amnesiac, or somnabulistically flopping towards consciousness but not making it.
subconscious to me means activity that is engaged but not interacting directly with the moment.
and conscious to me means the part of mind that is interacting with the environment.
when people say that you are acting in conflict with your subconscious mind, I take that to mean that you are involved with the issue more deeply than your actions suggest.
I do not take that to mean that you are necessarily unaware of your deeper involvements, but it could mean that there is a conflict between this moment in public, as opposed to during other times and maybe in private.
to distil that a tiny bit further, in my opinion what is taken for subconscious thoughts, are thoughts that are more suitable to other situations, other times, and possibly for other audiences; so they do not tend to surface but they occur Off-Stage, yet are actually conscious.
What is taken for conscious thoughts are those that can be expressed more readily in the current moment in the current environment, ergo: On-Stage.
and one step beyond that, if a thought is not conscious, (i.e. synthetic with the moment and environment - either On-Stage or Off-Stage), then it is merely potential, i.e. does not actually exist as a thought - it is a non-event.
any "subconscious" thought, that is real, is actually conscious, just not revealed.
this would suggest that I am in disagreement about what subconscious means to most people.
another area of non-agreement for me is the idea that subconscious mind is a place, a place of storage and activity that "operates by rules of its own" contrary to civilized order.
as far as it being a place, mind is the stage, memory is associative storage in the very material of that stage, and there is no separate storage for unruly memory, attitude etc. as opposed to civilized memory or attitude.
all associations are equally distributed in the whole of the mind.
this "place-oriented" description of subconscious mind, seems very much a mythology for excusing one's less becoming behavior.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9290667 - 11/22/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm feeling good about coffee and Christmas this morning.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9290703 - 11/22/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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"all there is, is consciousness"
what else?
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9290741 - 11/22/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I was younger I went to math class. At the end of class there was a problem on the board. The problem rarely made any sense to me, but I did not worry… I went about doing what I always did which did not include math. The next day the problem was still on the board only this time was crystal clear which gave me five minutes to put it down on paper.
-------------------- Wave. 'And for this reason repentance (metanoia) is an elevating means. For he who feels impatience with the circunstances in which he finds himself, devises means of escape. Now the chief thing in purification is the will. For then both deeds and words lend a helping hand. But, when the will is absent, the whole purificatory discipline of initiation is...'
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: Recondicom]
#9290814 - 11/22/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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over the 24 hours the dent the question made in your wooden head became filled with answers.
happens to me all the time.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9290853 - 11/22/08 10:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great post.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: Grapefruit]
#9290934 - 11/22/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Which brings me to the point of knowing what my brain is made of.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: Recondicom]
#9291444 - 11/22/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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very resilliant wood conditions persist then fade
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9291462 - 11/22/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Since when are we allowed two takes?
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9291595 - 11/22/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok you can have 3 long as you say hi to swami
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9291652 - 11/22/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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[]bwhen people say that you are acting in conflict with your subconscious mind, I take that to mean that you are involved with the issue more deeply than your actions suggest.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9291703 - 11/22/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is this a spectrum from conscious to unconscious in your model or are there quantum jumps?
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9291809 - 11/22/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it's a continuum; not a rigidly separated and defined collection of consciousnesses.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: Epigallo]
#9291942 - 11/22/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
bradley said: Is this a spectrum from conscious to unconscious in your model or are there quantum jumps?
in so far that there are degrees of being awakenned. everything else is the dents. conditioning that we carry forward
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: deCypher]
#9291964 - 11/22/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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My collection is almost complete. I am only missing the rare 1956 Alan Watts card.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9291987 - 11/22/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'll trade ya for two mint Robert Anton Wilsons.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: deCypher]
#9292053 - 11/22/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can trade you a Sabina and a Ginsberg...
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9292060 - 11/22/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Swap out the Ginsberg for a Burroughs and you got a deal.
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: deCypher]
#9292128 - 11/22/08 02:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice hand
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Re: unconscious mind vs conscious mind take 2 [Re: redgreenvines]
#9292587 - 11/22/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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degrees of being awakened? I mean, just taking a snapshot, when consciousness is at a fixed degree of awakened-ness.
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