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OfflineToo Vanilla
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Nude Rant
    #7558523 - 10/25/07 09:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, I felt like going off about something, and I decided this might be a good place to do so.

Nudism and Naturism in America is the biggest load of horseshit in the world, and it represents the ignorant idealism losers often have in accordance to their guilty pleasures.

Read it again. Okay, remember that.

This is something I keep in mind every time I hear someone talking about communism/socialism, marijuana legalization, and relaxation of sexual attitudes by society at large.

Let's start with nudism and move into why it reflects and symbolizes the other "radical" political and philosophical stances in society.

I've been going to a nudist resort for the past few years now with my current partner. Her parents and relatives have all grown up going to this resort, so there's a history and they were pretty well established in that community. Needless to say, there was a bit of scrutinization over "[my partner]'s new man..." when I arrived.

When I showed up, I saw a bunch of average to below average people on the physical condition scale. As we drove to their cabin I saw a great deal of overweight people, some obese, and a few who were fairly physically fit. This is an older community, so it was to be expected that the cross section of this demographic would be as such. But I noted that there were none... I repeat: NONE of those whom most would objectively consider physically fit and attractive. This should have told me something initially, but I brushed it off as simply a coincidence.

After I arrived, I exchanged pleasantries with her parents and her neighbors, and within a few minutes I got over the initial novelty of the fact everyone was wearing virtually nothing (a lot of the women were wearing sarongs). I tossed my clothes in the guest room, tossed a towel over my shoulder, and headed to the volleyball court.

This, like most nudist resorts I've since visited, is a camping style resort with volleyball, a pool, jacuzzis (three), sauna, pickle ball (the bastard child of tennis and ping pong), tennis, basketball courts, bonfires, and a nature trail. Everything is within walking distance, but most op to drive golf carts. Nudists would have you believe they're very active people and there part of a strong, self-governed community, but after a couple days I realized what kind of bullshit it really was.

Nudists "...doth protest too much." I've been to "normal" camp sites, and its impossible to get a volleyball game going. The chairs around the pool will rarely be as crowded as they were at this resort. And lastly, you will never have to pay $20+ a day/night to go to a normal campground if you aren't renting a cabin.

The fact is these people want to be seen naked. These are people who know when they walk down a street, no one is undressing them with their eyes and no one is yearning for the desire to get in their pants. Outside of this community, the only one who doesn't mind seeing their naked ass is their spouse, and even that's debatable. They have all of these activities and engage in athletics (that, judging by their physical stature, they RARELY engage in outside of the resort) because in Real Life (and I capitalize this to raise a point), they're lonely people who hide in their living rooms, watch television, and are undervalued in their jobs.

The humor lies in why they engage in these "normal" activities, rather than just sitting in their cabins, reading a book, listening to music, going for walks, and getting away from the daily toil like the rest of us would like to do. They're under the impression that this is what normal people do, and they want you to believe that despite the nudity, they're just normal people. But they wouldn't know what normal people do. They never chill with them. Normal people vacation because they want to be left alone. Socializing is sometimes a pleasure, sometimes a torment, but also sometimes a burden. But they wouldn't know this, because if not for another hundred sad souls who spend their summers naked, they wouldn't have much of a social life.

So to bring this to the philosophy of sociological reform, I point out the following: Legalized nudity in society is an ideal that will never work. There's a reason why we wear clothes. Its called protection. Protection from the elements, protection from the abrasion of simple objects, and protection from sick fucks that want to stick their dicks in things they shouldn't.

Some would assert that my views are a result of my upbringing. Because I was raised in a society that frowns upon public nudity, I can't conceive of a society that doesn't. No... Because we've grown up in a society that doesn't condone nudity, we can't properly implement one that will. Even if it were to be a gradual process over several generations, humans as a whole couldn't implement it and adjust their sociological program accordingly. Look at the "more primal" tribes in the jungles of South America and the deserts of Africa. They still have loincloths, ceremonial dress, and jewelry. We use clothing and the lack thereof as part of a code to better communicate with our fellow man. There's a reason why we've evolved to this. Hell, if clothing is "unnatural", then let's hang it all: start crawling on all fours, throwing our poop, and communicating with grunts and clicks.

This leads to another thing that pisses me off about some other radical ideals: socialism and drug legalization. Socialism (and its bastard cousin anarchy) will never work. Humans always need a hierarchy of some sort. Humans are animals and if you look at the animal kingdom, it is a battle of survival. You don't have any tigers equally doling out all of the meat from the hunt, and you don't have birds laying eggs in other birds' nests because "territorial impulses are unnatural". Hell, if you look at fungus, you don't have a bunch of mold yelling at the mycelium and bitching that "...the metabolites encourage an attitude of exclusivity in the casing ecosystem." If you ask Nature to "be more fair", she will promptly tell you to go fuck yourself.

So what about drug legalization? An ideal society will allow all humans to explore different states of consciousness without the fear or danger of prosecution, right? Ok. What happens when that psychotic kid in your study hall who spends the entire period drawing pictures of decapitation and forcible anal rape on aliens wants to try PCP? What happens when that religious zealot, who is convinced Jesus talks to her every time she's in the shower, says that Jesus thinks she should drop 400 mics of LSD when she's supposed to be watching her 7+ kids (I've noticed ultra-Baptists have a way of turning the birth canal into a water slide)? What if she wants to give it to her 4 year-old?

What do you think about your total freedom now?

Maybe we (and our fellow anarchists/nudists/socialists) should recognize the system in place isn't so bad. The system in place may not be ideal, but ideals only exist in the imagination. Reality is much more compromising in practice and less in theory. Drug legislation and the drug war in the western world sucks, but I have yet to see a plan that works better. And yes, I have my doubts about the system in place in the Netherlands. If you think it works like a charm, you haven't actually been there. Yes, things are no worse, no better than here; but the junkies walk the streets and annoy the shit out of us. I remember thinking, "Man, if we were in the states, that asshole would have cuffs. I think I actually miss that." If you're a junky, I don't think a therapy based drug enforcement system should be in place to coddle you, I think you should OD and prevent further offspring or other detriment to society. If you keep getting arrested over and over again, I think you should be in jail because you obviously aren't bright enough to do be a member of society and keep your personal excesses private, like most of us do. Get your shit together and act like an adult.

I, like anyone else, have indulged in many different chemical and sexual excesses, but I've known when I can gamble and I've known when to fold. My employers/employees would gasp at the thought I do as many drugs as I do because I work hard to be a functioning member of society so that I can enjoy the privilege of having a free private life. If, at any point, I veered... I would be mature enough to accept the consequences rather than pointing at the imaginary powers that be and crying foul. I knew the rules of the game and I failed to follow them.

If any of you disagree, feel free to start your own little community in the woods where you and those like you can run around like stupid fucks who can't hack in Real Life.


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7558547 - 10/25/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

were u naked when u wrote this?


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7558570 - 10/25/07 10:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Where are the pics? You can't have a Nudism thread without pics! :ass:


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7558590 - 10/25/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't know where to being with such a post.:lol:

However I will say that I do love pickle ball .:thumbup:


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Icelander]
    #7558624 - 10/25/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Nude rocks.

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Re: Nude Rant [Re: bort]
    #7558626 - 10/25/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

If you want nude, check out Burning Man.


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Icelander]
    #7558680 - 10/25/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Fascinating rant. It sustained my interest and held my attention pretty well.

But I don't have a whole lot to say on the matter.

"Nudists mock societies laws! You know this better than most."


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7558683 - 10/25/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Too Vanilla said:
Okay, I felt like going off about something, and I decided this might be a good place to do so.

Nudism and Naturism in America is the biggest load of horseshit in the world, and it represents the ignorant idealism losers often have in accordance to their guilty pleasures.

(I've noticed ultra-Baptists have a way of turning the birth canal into a water slide)? 




Having never felt the urge to either know anything or particate in the nudism colony thing, I'll take your word for it that you have given it an impartial assessment and it is accurate.

The birth canal analogy though is priceless :lol::lol:


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7558689 - 10/25/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Too Vanilla said:

Hell, if you look at fungus, you don't have a bunch of mold yelling at the mycelium and bitching that "...the metabolites encourage an attitude of exclusivity in the casing ecosystem." If you ask Nature to "be more fair", she will promptly tell you to go fuck yourself.





Win. :thumbup:

On a more serious note: I agree.

In general, people bitch and whine too much.

Things are as they are.  If you don't like it, then work around it.

If you are of the minority that takes part in activities that are considered "fringe" or radical, then you simply have to deal.  While it may not be ideal or fair -- and at times it can be a major pain in the ass (perhaps even quite literally) -- it's just the way things are.

Rarely dose harassing people and throwing a fit shift things into your favor.

I'm sure plenty of us here would love to be able to walk to the corner 7-11 and buy a joint or an eighth of cubes.  Alas, we're not of the majority, though.  So instead you take care of those needs yourself.  The system's shoddy and loose enough to allow you to do so as long as you play it smart.

Live and let live.  Don't cause too much friction.  Go around the wall instead of trying to move it.

In any case, great post. 

+5 shrooms :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:

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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Elementium]
    #7558767 - 10/25/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Things are as they are. If you don't like it, then work around it.


Now here is advice you can bank on.:thumbup:


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559045 - 10/25/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

So to summarise: "How sad that these people try to make friends amongst their own kind. They suck."


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7559066 - 10/25/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: :smirk:


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7559129 - 10/25/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Visionary Tools said:
So to summarise: "How sad that these people try to make friends amongst their own kind. They suck."




No, I'm offering the circumstance as a metaphor for any situation in which a group of outcasts form a collective outside the bounds of society, and trick themselves into believing it is somehow a remedy for a society that doesn't need it.

Its the person who introduces more fish into their diet and thinks that American life is on the skids because not enough people are getting enough Omega fatty acids or whatever. The person who can't take control of their lives finds themselves "saved" after reading a book who then tries to foist it upon anyone within earshot. Or (to bring it all home) the people who have trouble finding meaning in their lives, try shrooms, and suddenly consider it a panacea of sorts.

They try to validate their own weaknesses and the struggle resultant by giving it to rest of the world. They add an extra step to the growing process that does nothing but annoy the living hell out of the rest of us.

If it was just a group of sad fatties frollicking in the woods working out their insecurities, that's one thing. But to hear them go on about how they feel constrained by society's disdain towards the naked figure should tell you something about their personal insecurities, shouldn't it?


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559153 - 10/25/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

No, I'm offering the circumstance as a metaphor for any situation in which a group of outcasts form a collective outside the bounds of society, and trick themselves into believing it is somehow a remedy for a society that doesn't need it.





Whatever floats their boat. :shrug:
You for example, in the context of this post, think that you're different and stronger than them because you can observe their weaknesses. :smirk:

On a more serious note, what do you suggest?
They don't force anybody in joining then, so why this rant?
Do you have any solutions for solving this "problem"?


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559161 - 10/25/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think there's some truth to what you say. I also think everyone does this at times, somewhere in their life, to one extent or another.


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559185 - 10/25/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

:toast: Heres to common sense, and the second law of thermodynamics. Excellent rant. However The level of clothing in this post is completely unacceptable. I have been deceived by false promises of nude rage.


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Too Vanilla]
    #7559200 - 10/25/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

"What do you think about your total freedom now?"

People are stupid, they always have been and always will be. But you shouldn't hold back the people who are intelligent and have done their research because there is an idiot in the herd. If we have total freedom, then yes people will be idiots and take drugs when they know nothing about them, some of them will die. Frankly I don't think we need these people around if they're dumb enough to stick a needle in their arm and get a good opiate addiction going 'Because it's legal'. These are the kind of people who after getting an addiction, will turn around and blame society for not stopping them.

Sure your example of the mother giving LSD to children illustrates that harm may come to people who don't deserve it, but doesn't it anyways? There will always be horrific things happening -whether on purpose or by accident- regardless of the laws, there will always be bad parents, and babies who crawl out windows. But the number of babies to crawl out a window, or parent to give their child acid is much lower than those who do not. I believe it's ignorant to blame the entire class just because Timmy through a paper airplane.


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Edited by Bernackums (10/25/07 01:24 PM)

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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Bernackums]
    #7559217 - 10/25/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Are you really sure you want to be posting this to me?:tongue: You have me confused with some other nut.


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Icelander]
    #7559226 - 10/25/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:

Whatever floats their boat. :shrug:
You for example, in the context of this post, think that you're different and stronger than them because you can observe their weaknesses. :smirk:

On a more serious note, what do you suggest?
They don't force anybody in joining then, so why this rant?
Do you have any solutions for solving this "problem"?




I offer the rant to everybody to evaluate, and I acknowledge that this is important for some, but not everybody. If my rant allows one person to either recognize this behavior in themselves or others, then the effort exerted was worthwhile.

Consider it oil for a shitload of squeaky wheels out there who may wish/need to imbibe.


Quote:

Icelander said:
I think there's some truth to what you say. I also think everyone does this at times, somewhere in their life, to one extent or another.




Definitely. Its a struggle that's part of the growth process.

To some, the preceding is a necessary cold shock.

To others, I just drowned the mycelium; they're going to put their fingers in their ears and continue to shout repetative and irrelevant maxims.


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Re: Nude Rant [Re: Icelander]
    #7559230 - 10/25/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I wasn't aware I had to click reply to the person in particular I was talking to, I was assuming it just meant reply to the thread. You learn something new every day =D


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