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Bushmaster
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ID Please: Liberty UFO Sorcerers?
#27572055 - 12/07/21 03:45 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Habitat: Grassy pasture, grassland next to a small creek.
Gills: Grey(ish) dark/ dark, purple sporeprint/ attached (i think!?)
Stem: Thin, diameter fresh was about 5mm, solid wavey. Length 8-12cm
Cap: Diameter ~4cm, Color is weird look in pictures, UFO like grey with black spots. Fully open that is why i think the nipples are gone with the darker spot at the center, though i felt little bulge.
Spore print color: dark/black/purple(ish?) Very important!
Bruising: Blue bruising visible on the caps and on stems. Blue ink all over them after an hour or two 
Other information: Time of late November. Region:western Balkans.
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Re: ID Please: Liberty UFO Sorcerers? [Re: Bushmaster]
#27572076 - 12/07/21 04:51 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe weird looking Psilocybe semilanceata? Pretty interesting shape if they are.
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RenegadeMycologist
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Re: ID Please: Liberty UFO Sorcerers? [Re: Bardy]
#27572094 - 12/07/21 05:47 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is not P.semilanceata.
Was there any wood debris at the site ? Possibly forest next to the grassland ? If it wasn't for the last picture, I would say Deconica - however, bruising is evident in the last picture, so I think it might be P.serbica. Dry ones really resemble dry serbica.
So it appears to be Psilocybe species, are the dry ones exactly the same specimens as the ones pictured ? Also, what county is this ?
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Cap is fading to white, must be sect. Aztecorum. It almost faded all the way, soon will look like this: http://www.fungiserbia.com/Psilocybe-serbica-eng.html
Fading pattern and cap shape are very similar to this: https://www.mykoweb.eu/fungi/psilocybe-serbica-var-arcana
It must be decomposing plant litter, which is unusual, serbica prefers wood, but there might be decomposed wood present.
Semilanceata is extremely rare in the Balkans, and late November is not the time of year you will find any. To be honest, it doesn't look like semilanceata - at all. Just look at the gill attachment and gill color. Liberties tend to have lower part of the cap coming inwards, full plane cap expanding is impossible for libs. Also there is no distinctive character - pronounced papilla, and overall bruising is way too intense for this to be anything other than P.serbica.
I have observed both species (serbica and semilanceata) in the Balkans, and this collection fits more to the concept of serbica. Serbica is very variable species, impulse to desribe it as a new species (even when encountered by professional mycologists) is strong - someone needs to be highly familiar with serbica complex to identify it properly.
It even looks more like cryptic liniformans/fimetaria than semilanceata, but everything is also wrong.
Please OP, say no more, I identify this mushroom as obvious as fuck - drifted into grasslands - Psilocybe serbica. My confidence is ultimate. I know serbica when I see serbica. I have seen them in flesh, touched them with my own hands, ate them with my own mouth. Congratulations on your serbica find , they are very potent, so start with low dosage.
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Bushmaster
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Also my 2nd guess is serbica. This grassland plane is in the middle of woodland on both sides in a valley, so yeah wood debris is near but not on the plane where i found them.
Same ones on all pictures  Bosnia
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Re: ID Please: Liberty UFO Sorcerers? [Re: Bushmaster]
#27572217 - 12/07/21 08:39 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bushmaster said: Also my 2nd guess is serbica. This grassland plane is in the middle of woodland on both sides in a valley, so yeah wood debris is near but not on the plane where i found them.
Same ones on all pictures  Bosnia

Yeah, I knew woods were close. Trust me man, it's serbica. Wood is probably decomposed and mixed with plant debris so serbica feeds on that highly nutritious mixture. Dry caps are really blue, no doubt in my mind it's Psilocybe species, but just not semilanceata. Also, I've scouted a lot of terrain in Serbia searching for liberty cap and I can tell you this kind of grass here in Balkans is devoid of liberties.
Nice find nevertheless, glad to see Bosnian neighbours hunting, you could wait on more opinions, but I'm more than confident in my id.
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Great analysis, thank you!  You seem plausible and confidant + those links are great.
On this grassland i saw sheep herds few times and woodland is realy near like few meters away.
..expanding libs..not possible- this is new info for me as I am yet looking to identify them for first time. The bruising way even more when they were fresh, can't find the picture but -holy smokes- was my reaction 
You are spot on, they are strange, kept looking into catalogs for weeks to finally post it here. Maybe it is some weird UFO species. Had a weird feeling that I did not find them but they called for me 
Thanks for advice I'll micro tiptoe dose gradually. In pic2 there is this find, not far away from these Serbia's, what do you think - is this semil sp.?

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Re: ID Please: Liberty UFO Sorcerers? [Re: Bushmaster]
#27572245 - 12/07/21 09:09 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bushmaster said:


First picture is probably of the same kind - P.serbica. Gill shot would help.
Second picture is Panaeolus papilionaceus.
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Psilocybe serbica or another Psilocybe species.
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  Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593
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Re: ID Please: Liberty UFO Sorcerers? [Re: Doc9151]
#27572431 - 12/07/21 12:48 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
RenegadeMycologist said: Cap is fading to white, must be sect. Aztecorum. It almost faded all the way, soon will look like this: http://www.fungiserbia.com/Psilocybe-serbica-eng.html
Fading pattern and cap shape are very similar to this: https://www.mykoweb.eu/fungi/psilocybe-serbica-var-arcana
It must be decomposing plant litter, which is unusual, serbica prefers wood, but there might be decomposed wood present.
Semilanceata is extremely rare in the Balkans, and late November is not the time of year you will find any. To be honest, it doesn't look like semilanceata - at all. Just look at the gill attachment and gill color. Liberties tend to have lower part of the cap coming inwards, full plane cap expanding is impossible for libs. Also there is no distinctive character - pronounced papilla, and overall bruising is way too intense for this to be anything other than P.serbica.
I have observed both species (serbica and semilanceata) in the Balkans, and this collection fits more to the concept of serbica. Serbica is very variable species, impulse to desribe it as a new species (even when encountered by professional mycologists) is strong - someone needs to be highly familiar with serbica complex to identify it properly.
It even looks more like cryptic liniformans/fimetaria than semilanceata, but everything is also wrong.
Please OP, say no more, I identify this mushroom as obvious as fuck - drifted into grasslands - Psilocybe serbica. My confidence is ultimate. I know serbica when I see serbica. I have seen them in flesh, touched them with my own hands, ate them with my own mouth. Congratulations on your serbica find , they are very potent, so start with low dosage.
Nice! Thanks for the info Renegade 😊
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