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Balance, the glue of the universe
#17282557 - 11/26/12 12:34 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am writing a piece about being good homosapiens as I wish to uphold my own self. This piece is to help ease readers into my understanding of existence, starting with the most fundamental characteristics I could. Please let me know what you think, I am open to any feed back! ***FIRST REVISION 1.1*** Chapter 1 Balance Throughout human history there have been countless different beliefs regarding the most fundamental knowledge about the origins and function of our universe. Where religion and indigenous folklore have used personified explanations for the origins of life, the function of ourselves and the universe, science looks to use observed data to conclude it's own idealizations on what reality is. Though they both differ, they both serve the same basic function, to explain existence. That being said, I do not believe in the "Big Bang" any more than I believe in a divine creator. Rather, I believe as human beings reality is how ever we see it. The fundamental understanding of all cognitively perceptive views of reality are relative to ones own expectations. As made apparent in the example of the vast diversity in religious beliefs, we all create our own reality.
If what we interpret as reality is a direct reflection of our expectations of things to be, we can then say that the most prominent expectations of reality would be those that are universal, such as gravity. We expect something to fall when we let it go from our hands. If you drop a marble in mid air you would be quite surprised to see it floating up towards the sky. This being so, gravity is what we refer to as natural law. With this understanding we can go a step further and say that as natural laws are among the fundamental universal connections we all have with reality.
Natural Law is not so widely debated amongst different cultures as say, political law or religious law. All religions believe in gravity, I assume that is. This means that natural laws are what binds our realities together no matter how far apart they may be in different aspects. Gravity is also fundamental physical law. It is what holds our planet in orbit around our fruitful and powerful star, as well as holds us and all things without wings to the ground. I believe gravity is a product of an even more fundamental natural and physical law, within this law i believe all things are encompassed, and that would be the Law of Balance.
If mass displacing space creates a pull then I see in effect a divine balance occurring. I believe for everything there is, there also is not. As well for everything that is not, there also exists those things. In our daily lives it is not easy to always see this balance. Though, I believe our personal lives are also fundamentally balanced just as the moon is around our planet. Life is ups and downs, extremes in cultures and experiences, personalities and emotions, sickness and medicine.
This idea of balance as the fundamental natural law that holds all things in existence together is not new you see, it has been touched upon by enlightened philosophies through out history. A prime example of this is the yīnyáng or "Ying and Yang," observed over 2,300 years ago in the eastern world. It was considered then a scientific philosophy, as a natural law, in the same way as I presumably. It is of a scientific basis on which I also base my hypothesis. I believe this Divine Balance is also directly responsible for the concept of Good and Evil and is what shapes our personal varying moralities. What ever your concept of right and wrong, we all must decide. I believe natural selection to be a result of this natural law as well, which is the most commonly excepted explanation for biodiversity in scientific communities world round. Though I will not speculate on the origins of the universe or life on our planet, I will say with confidence that the universe's existence is the natural law of Balance's response to nothingness.
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Good read
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universe's existence is the natural law of Balance's response to nothingness.
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: HeartAndMind]
#17286427 - 11/26/12 06:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you, I am very glad you enjoyed it, I will post more as it progresses!
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your post is very well written 
All religions believe in gravity, I assume that is.
some religions believe that gravity can be reversed by god. such is the case with chistianity where jesus was taken up into heaven. so, in a chistian mindset does gravity really exist? if it does it is a very different thing than the scientific notion of gravity. this shows that natural laws do not 'bind our reality'.
within this law i believe all things are encompassed, and that would be the Law of Balance.
what about the law of entropy? or quantum indeterminancy? imo reality is chaotic. what we see as balance is really a mega catastophe waiting to happen, the calm before the storm.
for me the proof that the world is chaotic is that we exist at all.
here is a post i made a while ago on the subject:
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blingbling said: nature does not exist. at least not in the way that we have constructed it. the concept of a balance point in nature is ridiculous. the only thing we know for sure about natural phenomena is that they change over time. the idea that we as humans have thrown this balance point out of kilter is nonsense. there was no balance point to begin with. fucked up shit happens in nature all the time. just imagine the catastrophes that occurred in order to create oil. the idea that there is a balance point in nature shows how divorced we are from it. part of our daily perception of reality is that feces and garbage are conveniently discarded from our awareness. when you go to the toilet shit disappears into some seedy underworld that we would rather not fathom.
ecology today is the ideology of the masses but the problem with any ideology is that at the same time it addresses a subject it also mystifies it through our search for meaning. when we see an ecological crisis like the the oil spills we think "it must mean something". in a sense we are doing the job that god used to do in ancient times and that is punish us. we actually believe we are god. instead of blaming our plight on the will of the gods to create some cosmological meaning from a traumatic event we blame ourselves or the corporation. we cannot accept that these forces which act on our lives are blind. we now believe in a kind of secular fall from grace where before we lived in harmony with nature, then received knowledge and now we are unnatural but the conclusion we draw from evolutionary history shouldn't be that we are unnatural it should be that there is no nature.
ecology will eventually become a new religion. it already holds some characteristics of religion that we have come to expect such as an unquestionable authority over and for man. whenever a new scientific breakthrough occurs such as those in genetics it's like a religious voice pipes up and complains "don't do that it's not natural", "don't mess with nature", they create invisible lines that we are not supposed to cross, much like the state. another myth (similar to original sin) is that we western people are alienated from our environment and should repent by trying to live carbon neutral. it is my belief that to overcome the current ecological crisis we should not try to "get back to out roots in nature" but instead cut off our roots to this fictional nature. we should become more artificial. this is the true love of the world, the love of trash and feces. if you love something you should not idolize it which is what we find in ecology. true love is to find eternal beauty in the horrid and mundane.
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: HeartAndMind]
#17292974 - 11/27/12 07:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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HeartAndMind said: Good read
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universe's existence is the natural law of Balance's response to nothingness.

My friend, this is absolutely gold quality material. I have never in my life heard someone manage to put this point so succinctly, so eloquently! You've encapsulated the entire arduous journey of Zen in a single sentence.
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: crkhd]
#17294993 - 11/28/12 01:24 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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the claim "everything balances" is not self consistent, or true of itself. When you apply claim to itself, you get a contradiction.
if everything balances, then balance has to be balanced with imbalance. Which is to say some things must be imbalanced.
The claim "Everything true is true of itself" is true of itself. Not true necessarily, but true of itself.
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: walalaaa]
#17296234 - 11/28/12 10:26 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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walalaaa said:
if everything balances, then balance has to be balanced with imbalance.
I don't understand this at all
balance is when polar opposites harmonize (as I understand) hot-----[balance]-----cold light-----[balance]-----dark yang-----[tao]-----yin
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: yeah]
#17296539 - 11/28/12 11:51 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is there a physical law of balance ?
Does nothing (because of this law) require the manifestation of something, just to fulfil this law of balance ? Does a thing need an absence of itself in order to be ? Does nothing have an inherent potential that draws the existent into the non-existent ?
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: tribesman]
#17297146 - 11/28/12 01:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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perhaps
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: walalaaa]
#17297626 - 11/28/12 02:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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walalaaa said: the claim "everything balances" is not self consistent, or true of itself. When you apply claim to itself, you get a contradiction.
if everything balances, then balance has to be balanced with imbalance. Which is to say some things must be imbalanced.
The claim "Everything true is true of itself" is true of itself. Not true necessarily, but true of itself.
You see I believe that is infact balance, Where there is balance, there is also imbalance. And because there is IMBALANCE there is also balance. You see balance to me does not mean stationary or stillness. Balance is a fluent motion, like a teeter totter, There are "ups and downs" you could say, So Imbalance is really needed to maintain balance.
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: tribesman]
#17297658 - 11/28/12 02:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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tribesman said: Is there a physical law of balance ?
Does nothing (because of this law) require the manifestation of something, just to fulfil this law of balance ? Does a thing need an absence of itself in order to be ? Does nothing have an inherent potential that draws the existent into the non-existent ?
I believe that these things happen in parallels, imo in alternate dimensions. Theory of relativity is an example of direct physical interactions, that are indeed unpredictable at times. That being said, i believe the balance is an evolving fluid thing, I believe it is infact a physical law, that would in theory would create an alternate reality for every possible reality.
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Thank you all very much for constructive feedback it means a lot! Thank you for taking the time to read this!
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I believe it is infact a physical law
what about the law of entropy? doesn't this law negate your supposed law of balance?
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: blingbling]
#17306954 - 11/30/12 02:27 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well first you must state in what application you mean "Etropy" because it goes a few ways, so I can say a couple things before that, A. If you believe that any state of order will always fall into a state of disorder, than you must also except that new states of order will also rise, and where a state of order occurs it would seem for it to fall into a state of disorder would in fact REPRESENT the presence of balance. This is so because where there is order, there must also be disorder...
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: blingbling]
#17307045 - 11/30/12 03:35 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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blingbling said: I believe it is infact a physical law
what about the law of entropy? doesn't this law negate your supposed law of balance?
Entropy does not affect the question.
What we define as 'order' is a very arbitrary definition of things that look good to us and behave well pleasing to us. Our definitions of disorder also reflect this arbitrary standard.
In fact entropy reflects these arbitrary standards of order and disorder no more than the + or - before a velocity reading signifies "up" or "down" or "left". Entropy is directly analogous to your screen resolution: this is not arbitrary.
Even the strongest of turbulent chaoses could be what we call 'order' to the universe. As far as the universe is concerned, there is no real distinction between order and disorder.
Not only that but the fact that we observe things to become eroded and decay (which is what I guess you are referring to by 'entropy') is also a necessary 'order' for things to fall into for the creation of their decay products.
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: crkhd]
#17307052 - 11/30/12 03:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Even the strongest of turbulent chaoses could be what we call 'order' to the universe.
this does not make sense. order, by definition, is not disorder.
What we define as 'order' is a very arbitrary definition of things that look good to us and behave well pleasing to us. Our definitions of disorder also reflect this arbitrary standard.
i agree. but, within the context of a world defined by order and disorder as we see it, disorder seems to me a more fitting way of conceptualizing events of all kinds.
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Re: Balance, the glue of the universe [Re: blingbling]
#17307266 - 11/30/12 05:20 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Order and disorder are useful abstractions in the same sense that decomposing space into quarks, electrons and photons are useful abstractions. For instance the sequence "123456789" has the exact same probability of being thrown out by a random number generator as the sequence "329823942" yet we might call the latter more "disordered".
In all due honesty it is a single field with an endless variety of excitations that we can classify but these classifications only serve to make it easier to digest for us, they are not a reflection of the unified field itself. I guess this is what the whole "nothing has inherent existence" thing comes from in spirituality.
-------------------- "Everything there is, and all that there is, is a Pattern of unspeakable proportion. The Pattern contains everything that is, completely fixed in succession, all the minimal particles interconnected in every way that is. Every way that is is not every conceivable way, because not everything that can be conceived is manifest in the pattern." "THE Human, you, is a miniscule but essential part of that pattern. In it lies complete fulfillment. It will never become something it is not, but it will never need to be anything else." - Wiccan_Seeker "If boring drudgery was the way of the universe, everything would have killed itself long ago." - Spacerific
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