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CloakandDagger
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Psybocilin extraction. does it work?
#4019092 - 04/05/05 08:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has anyone ever tried this Extraction Method and if so did it work and is it worth it? Thanks for the help guys.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: CloakandDagger]
#4019118 - 04/05/05 08:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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why would you want to extract it? Are you going to shoot it up?
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: CloakandDagger]
#4019132 - 04/05/05 08:49 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes it works, it's not a hell of a lot of effort but to dose you'll need a lab scale, I have one that reads to the mg and it cost a small fortune
tahoe, some people dont cate for the extra bulk of 3-5 grams of mushroom, others dont care for the taste or texture so an extraction is a viable option.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4021759 - 04/06/05 01:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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The tek mentioned here seems to work.. The PF tek one.. http://fanaticus.lycaeum.org/mycoalki.htm
at least a close friend of my neighbours tapir has something approximating the picture at the top with crystals in and all. Best of all alcohol isn't quite so poisonous. Still, the testing remains to be done when the aforementioned Tapir has time and the guts. Maybe I'll post the results when I hear them..
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Hambo]
#4021959 - 04/06/05 02:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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ya, it works, and its hella fun, I decided to do my first extraction when I had more mushrooms than I could safely store in my basement freezer withuot my parents finding out, this was some time ago, I decided to but some everclear, and pulverized about 40grams of cracker dry mushrooms of various strains.I broke this up into 4 - 10 gram extractions, and when the resulting solvent of 10 grams and everclear was down to about enough for two people too swallow in one big gulp me and a friend downed 60/40 of one of the extractions me taking the bigger half, and 20 minutes later I was in for the ride of my life, it was great, but not really necessary unless you really need the space I mean theres tons of stuff to do with extra mush, wish i still had 40 extra grams lying around, but sometimes your up and sometimes your down, enough of me jammerin on
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: BladeLSD]
#4022620 - 04/06/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've always thought the guys on that other forum were being a bit optimistic about it. They say put an oz, extract and evaporate till you have 10 ml = 1 gram or some such like 100% yeild is expected. I don't beleive it.. but I would hope for better extraction than 1 trip from what, 25g dry shrooms?
What would you say the trip was like in the equivalent in dry shrooms?
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Hambo]
#4022805 - 04/06/05 06:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea it is a complete waste of mush IMO....why not just eat them? If you don't like the taste, make pills, grind them up, chocolates, etc.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: kronnyQ]
#4023157 - 04/06/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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kronnyQ, me and you share the same views. To have something this great, you have to suffer through at least a little. Besides, I love the taste of these little guys, so I dont think i would extract it, waste alot of mushrooms, only for 1 trip. Maybe make it into a sandwhich,tea, or chocolates, but not extrat it and drink it with everclear. Besides, youngins who are still living with parents shouldnt be doing this anyways without parental concent.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Tokagekobushi]
#4023243 - 04/06/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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This has NOTHING to do with kids doing it something with or without parental consent.
Those of us who have taken shrooms 100 plus a few dozen times, dont retain the stomach or taste buds for them anymore. Some do, I sure dont though. I slowly went from eating them straight and liking the taste the first few times, to them being incredibly difficult to consume. I cant just eat them anymore, even using a chaser. Tea works well, capsules too, chocolates ok but you can still feel the texture which brings up psychosematic things and you can taste it even if you cant. Jello shots are also a good method..
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: scatmanrav]
#4023462 - 04/06/05 08:37 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Chocolates made with rice or cocoa krispies. My finished cakes weigh about 85 grams, with 3.5 of that being shroomie goodness
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: SoopaX]
#4023744 - 04/06/05 09:44 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah...but you still know better.
By the way, I still havnt tried an extraction method..it doesnt seem worth it really...but I will someday for sure...I'll try just about any method of injestion at least once.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: scatmanrav]
#4023755 - 04/06/05 09:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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The extration itself, has nothing to do with being young, or old, but the growing an illegal substance in your parent's home without them knowing, does.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Tokagekobushi]
#4023790 - 04/06/05 09:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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But why did you even bring that up? Did I miss something? No one spoke of growing in their parents house without permission in this thread except you...and you talked about it with the extraction like it has something to do with it...I just had no idea why you brought it up. Maybe your just blitzed out of your skull? Maybe I am and missed something too though...
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: BladeLSD]
#4023856 - 04/06/05 10:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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BladeLSD said: ya, it works, and its hella fun, I decided to do my first extraction when I had more mushrooms than I could safely store in my basement freezer withuot my parents finding out, this was some time ago, I decided to but some everclear, and pulverized about 40grams of cracker dry mushrooms of various strains.
(not trying to be an ass, but im just saying)
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: scatmanrav]
#4023878 - 04/06/05 10:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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BladeLSD said: I decided to do my first extraction when I had more mushrooms than I could safely store in my basement freezer withuot my parents finding out, this was some time ago
From his statement, I could go either way on the debate.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Tokagekobushi]
#4023883 - 04/06/05 10:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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*Jinx!
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Tokagekobushi]
#4023983 - 04/06/05 10:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tokagekobushi said:
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BladeLSD said: ya, it works, and its hella fun, I decided to do my first extraction when I had more mushrooms than I could safely store in my basement freezer withuot my parents finding out, this was some time ago, I decided to but some everclear, and pulverized about 40grams of cracker dry mushrooms of various strains.
(not trying to be an ass, but im just saying)
Hey man, no problem..I just missed that and thought you were talking about something else...my fault.. ..trust me, I feel the same as you though about people growing in a house without the owners (parents or not) permission.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: SoopaX]
#4024023 - 04/06/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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How the hell do you make them with rice or cocoa crispies?! Sorry, I just eat'm whole yummy
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Clozedeyez20]
#4024205 - 04/06/05 11:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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But if you bulk get myc then you would have a lot of trips....i have like a pound now and that metes out to like 60+ trips according to the tek. Everyone is talking about grinding up mush...you are distilling the psybicilin in the myc....I think...I hope...
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: CloakandDagger]
#4024242 - 04/06/05 11:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Myc is much less potent then mushrooms..a pound of fresh myc is probably far far far fewer then 60+ trips...more like 6...just a guess though but a cake is like a pound isnt it? A cake will only give a few trips..
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Clozedeyez20]
#4024320 - 04/06/05 11:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Melt your choclate first. Get a cupcake baking pan and line with the alum foil cup cake liner thingies. Put your weighed out mushroom powder in each one. Add a teensy bit of the molten chocolate and stir with a toothpick, just enough chochlate that the mushroom powder is dissolved. Then add some cocoa krispies and stir around, adding more chocolate as necessary to make one huge thick cake.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: SoopaX]
#4024350 - 04/07/05 12:09 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Use liquor with the chocolate. Razberry and Kaluha are AWESOME. I could NOT STOP EATING THEM! I had like a bag full of these ice cube sized bars and i only intended to eat 2. But 2 turned into 11. THEY WERE SO GOOD. I thought the shrooms added a nice texture and taste and i really dont like them straight. But then again, i also use THCless MJ from extractions when making brownies and cookies because i like that taste too.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Hambo]
#4026861 - 04/07/05 03:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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OK. My Tapir friend has reported back
He says that shit works! Here are the numbers:
10g dry shrooms extracted as per PF extraction tek, in 200ml strong alcohol (80-90% Cant be sure since he made that himself as well), 2 lots of 100ml (1 re-extraction). evaporated down to about 75ml. So taking 15ml of this would be at best 2g aroundabout.. and it was too.. at least if it wasn't the Tapir couldn't tell.
Some interesting points: A very easy organic chemistry extraction this makes: Crystals are seen to precipitate as the temp of soln drops. I'm pretty sure those crystals the prof talked about could be collected by cold filtering the solution and drying them rather than long winded evaporating/drying. This would be the next step to determine if the precipitate is actually psilocybin or if it remains somewhere in the liquid.
2: The solution is boiled time and again.. and long periods of standing. The results seem to indicate NO loss of potency whatsoever. This leads me to beleive that psilocybin is in fact a very stable substance. The loss of potency in shrooms is obviously due to an enzyme catalysed reaction. But with the extraction the high strength alcohol would denature the enzymes responsible right away.. the psilocybin is then safe for whatever you want to do with it.. (ie. extract it).
The boiling of the solution is critical. If the mush isn't boiled its not going to extract very well if the target is a solid crystalline in the solvent at room temperatures.. All filtering should be done hot as possible too.
Sorry to bust up the thread and that with boring organic chemistry crap.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Hambo]
#4029115 - 04/07/05 11:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I tried doing a crude methanol extraction a few times. The last time I used a quarter of some nice, potent cultivated shrooms, and consumed the whole extract and barely got threshold effects, plus the body buzz was super uncomfortable!
I probably did it wrong, but considering that I could have gotten two strong ass trips from a quarter instead of one crappy ass buzz, I'd say it's not worth it unless you can pick a shitload of feildies for free, and I would try to purify it WAY beyond a regular crude extraction...
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: dr0mni]
#4030037 - 04/08/05 08:38 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I remember right the boiling point of methanol is quite a bit lower than that of ethanol. Ethanol tainted with water boils slightly higher again, a difference of maybe 20 degrees C?. The crystals formed with only very slight cooling of that solution.
Maybe not the answer but I really beleive that following the tek to the letter should get decent results, I've er.. 'witnessed' it. Though with this extraction it should be noted that it was filtered very QUICKLY, whilst still very HOT (through a mcdonalds napkin in fact) and then squeezing the crap out of the pulp to get all the juice out before re-extracting in the same way. Probably not neccessary, but the solution was then boiled again and filtered in the same way to get any last bits of crap out.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4030764 - 04/08/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have posted this info over and over and over.
In a five gram dosge of Psilocybe cubensis there are 5,000 milligrams of psilocine/psilocybine.\ Out of that 5,000 millgraqms of shroom material, only approzximately 15 to 25 milligrams are the actual dosage.
If you have a lab seive, you do not e need to boil anything.
The mushrooms must bne pulverized to a dusty powder and then they can be soaked in mentanol on a plate and then the methanol is run off onto anouther plate.
Whent he methanol evaporatesm the remianing crystals can be put in a capsule or under the tongue.
however, it is very important that al of the methanol has been evaporated.
This is so simple but is a really stupid thing to do.
The Mazatec and other Indians in Mesosamerica take 20-30 minutes to consume a normal dosage of mushrooms, just as the indians who use peyote take a half an hour to an hour to eat four to six peyote buttons.
They do this for a reason. The fast comeon of chemical shocks ones nervous system. IT makes the first half hour to an hour very intense and can be scarry for many people. This haas been observed in people who make tea and millk shake or fruit juice smoothies and get off in five to ten minutrtes.
The indians eat 12-20 mushrooms on one species or three to seven of another and they alltake their time eating them becasue the slow come ont ot he shroom, often in ripples and waves tends to make the trip more comfortable and pleasant instead of a skitsy come-on like that obeseerved in people at partys and raves.
Since they indians have eaten them that way for a few thousand or more years, there must be aa reason for them to do so.
Converting the shrooms to chemicals is bad c karma and the kind of think law enforcement officers like to look for to justifyu their outdated and draconian drug laws.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: mjshroomer]
#4031710 - 04/08/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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The tek uses alcohol for good reason, I think I read somewhere about the stuff being more soluble in methanol, but I certainly wouldn't consider trying it. And the crystals are by the by, I'd just like to see them for interests sake. The liquer is the thing.
It could be argued they ate them that way for billions of years because they didn't know how to do anything else with them.. Who is to say If they had some sort of knowledge of modern chemistry they wouldn't all have been doing that and snorting the stuff. For example, they didn't grow these supposed sacred mushrooms out of jars of vermiculite either.. As an ex mushroom hunter (because they have just become ILLEGAL here apparently ) I know which method I respect more.
And I can't say it felt very shocked or skitsy, whatever that is, (because it wasn't me ) but sure a fast come up. I don't think that makes it a bad thing, different maybe - but horses for courses eh? Besides, more importantly, you could sip the liquer over a period of time if you chose to, the basic benefit is the same.. removal of the actual shroom, which is grim. I think if theres one thing likely to put me in a mingey mood for tripping, its munching on those bloody awful fungus for half an hour :/.
In fact A very close friend of mine spent most of her first (and only) trip on the toilet, I ate some of the exact same batch with only the usual mild ill effects.. something I am sure is down to incompatibilities with shroom material some people just can't hack it.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: CloakandDagger]
#4253263 - 06/03/05 05:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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they way u do it.. is extract an ounce worth, divide the paydirt into two piles.. swallow one... and vap the other- either before u come up , or while ur peaking >:D
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: 3six5]
#9950411 - 03/11/09 08:17 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Guys just a thought, I'm sure you already realize this but just a warning for those who don't.
Ethanol = CH3-CH2-OH or Recreational alcohol... its safe to drink
Methanol= CH3-OH its a type of alcohol, I think its in antifreeze and some fuels. In amounts as small as 1 fluid oz it can dissolve the optic nerve causing blindess and/or death. NOT SAFE FOR CONSUMPTION.
Methanol extractions sound dangerous to me. I realize in theory 100% of the solvent would be evaporated and in practice any methanol accidently consumed would be miniscule... still tho, its extremely poisenous.
The Boiling points of methanol and ethanol are 65 and 78 respectively (degrees centigrade). I'm not sure if your desired product would be more soluble in the methanol, it'd be slightly easier to evaoporate methanol but if you consume any your risking your health. Slightly more time to evaporate ethanol but its perfectly safe for consumption.
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: badstart]
#9950506 - 03/11/09 08:49 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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so you figured you'd bump a 3 year old post to tell us about methanol.... first off the post it says the methanol is run off and evap'd. so no more methanol. this says nothing about consuming methanol, but rather using it as part of an extraction, a practice used for a while now in many everyday products. this has been posted before as has much other information on ethanol, methanol, etc.
we also have a chemistry forum, which would've been a more appropriate place to post concerns like this, although i'm not sure if you can see it being so new.
seriously though is the third 3yr old thread i've found ressurected in 2 days and it's a little retarded. I mean, you guys can't read time stamps?
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Re: Psybocilin extraction. does it work? [Re: scatmanrav]
#9950535 - 03/11/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Best extraction=Lemon Tek hands down!! if you don't like the taste grind-em and make tea. You have so many flavors to choose from the last tea I made was blue-rasberry green tea yum!!!
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