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Do different strains = different trips?
    #1441964 - 04/09/03 06:48 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I understand that there's a difference in various things such as mycelium growth, incubation speed, mushroom apearance, potency etc.

What I want to know is do different strains make for a different trip? I've heard people swear black and blue that different strains affect them differently (and not just in varying potencies), but I've also heard it said that's just a load of BS (i.e. the active chemicals are the same, no matter where they come from).

Anyone have a conclusive answer?


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1442066 - 04/09/03 08:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well...
In my experience, Koi Samui's Have given the most visually intense trip I have ever had, however Peurto Rican's give me a crazy trip, a fair amount of visuals but mostly mindfuck compared to the Thai's.
Then there is B , which was a very mild low visual trip, and GT's which are just a good all around strain.
All doses were approximately 4 dry grams.

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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: TeKn0]
    #1442081 - 04/09/03 08:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

the only time i noticed a real difference was when i tried a larger dose. 6g cambos knocked me on my ass, but i've never yet tried any other strains at that strength. oh, but i will!


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: shirley knott]
    #1442129 - 04/09/03 09:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

they damn sure do
1st shrooms i ever ate(??strain/species??) guessing 3-5 gram dose. talked to god
eq. drunken visuals and total mind fuck
pesa.best all around buzz got it all in the right proportions
mexi-cub. nice visuals very mellow hardly any mind fuck or body noise
cambo. heavy visuals and lots of colors


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1442227 - 04/09/03 10:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Psilocybin is rapidly converted to psilocin once you eat a mushroom and psilocin is the same substance no matter what species it comes from. If the molecule is identical in all cases, how can one mushroom give a different trip than another?

In the case of marijuana, there are many different chemicals involved in the high, so different strains produce different effects since the proportion of the various active chemicals differs. As far as I know, that's not the case with mushrooms. The trip comes exclusively from psilocin in every case.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
    #1442234 - 04/09/03 10:21 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

For my friend he has noticed that his cambos where more of a mind fuck and baerly any visuals. His conclusion to why they are differnt is mayby the strian is differnt if it comes from differnt sources or mayby its the substrate, but he thinks it all depends on the person. For differnt people trips are differnt. He and his wife ate the same amount of PR's (and others) fresh from the same casing at the same time, and it was completly differnt for each of them. And he has done many others and his fav is GT's.
And what diploid said I dont totally agree with. I am sorry, I am not ragging on you but my friend has eatin alot of differnt strains with a dramatic differnce with each strain. And he is 28 and has been tripping since he was 15 so its not like his first time to evaluate the differnce between them but with each strain its completly differnt. He had his wife give him 5, 00 gel caps full of mushies and he had 6 differnt strains that it could be and an hour into it his first guess was right. So that tells me that if someone can do that thier has to be a differnce.


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    #1442240 - 04/09/03 10:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: matts]
    #1442256 - 04/09/03 10:33 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)



yeah what about baeocystin and nor-baeocystin? arent those two different hallucinatory chemicals? also what about the psilocin thats already present?

i think different amounts of chemicals at different times (as they enter the brain at different times, however slight that may be) can alter the trip just enough to give each strain its own "thumbprint" experience,

then again, many will say that each mushroom is different (and i agree its entirely possible) even changes in the growing conditions at any point, and even different flushes can all effect the alkaloid content..

what about slow grown shrooms eh? some say they are more potent? maybe just more of different chemicals.. fruiting at say 50-60 F


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: ODhaze]
    #1442264 - 04/09/03 10:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

chemical make up differs little between STRAINS.

perhaps species.. but cubensis is cubensis... and the environment and substrate probably have ten times more to do with the presence of actives chemicals than the strain.

does meat from black cows taste different than meat from brown cows? probably, if they're raised and treated differently..


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: matts]
    #1442285 - 04/09/03 10:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Because there are more than 2 chemicals in a mushroom.




Sure, there are thousands of chemicals in a mushroom, but only two are known to be psychoactive, psilocybin and psilocin; and psilocybin is very rapidly dephosphorylated by alkaline phosphatase to psilocin so it doesn't count.

Mushrooms also contain smaller amounts of baeocystin and norbaeocystin and both are probably psychoactive but they're just psilocybin with one or two methyls missing, are probably cross-tolerant due to their structure, and occur in much smaller concentrations than psilocybin.

This leaves us with at most three (psilocin, baeocystin and norbaeocystin) psychoactive alkaloids. It doesn't seem likely that the widely varying 'flavors' of trips people report could be due to just these three substances.

I agree that people seem to have different trips with different mushrooms, but I'm not convinced that the differences in the trips are due to the different mushrooms as much as from different environments, surroundings, and state of mind.

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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Diploid]
    #1442322 - 04/09/03 11:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Diploid-With what you said earlier with bud. The only chemical in pot that gets you high is THC and if a bud does not contain THC then its a legal bud. So if thier are differnt chemicals in it that get you high as you claim, why dont people get that chemical and get high off that legally? Its like everything in life. Differnt races make people act differnt yet we are all people. Like take identical twins they are (from what I have seen) so close to the same and about the only thing that makes them diifernt is thier personality, which they most likly got from thier enviroment. But thier brother is so differnt it aint funny. What I am getting at is that is that the people are the mushroom and the size, shape, ect, is from thier enviroment but everything else is the same. No one can convince me that a cube is a cube. Sorry I just dont believe it. In this case pot is pot and we all know that aint true.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: fee]
    #1442337 - 04/09/03 11:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

well put fee i have to agree :wink:


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
    #1444259 - 04/09/03 09:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe some of the chemicals that are found in mushrooms are not psychoactive by themselves, but maybe in conjunction with one another, or in conjunction with a psychoactive chemical (such as psilocybin or psilocin) they can become psychoactive and/or alter the trip. This may account for the variances that people describe when taking different strains.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: si1988crx]
    #1444290 - 04/09/03 09:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

fee --- i dont think its just THC. there's also canabinoids (spelling?) and i'm fairly certain those influence the high.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: si1988crx]
    #1444342 - 04/09/03 09:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I'm not an experienced tripper, but since I started the topic I'll put my 2 cents in too. :smile:

I've been thinking about it, and came up with two pretty solid arguments - one for, and one against.

I was thinking that since each strain definitely does contain different amounts of chemicals and stuff, then they're surely all different. I don't think it matters much if they're not psychoactive chemicals. They would still have an effect on your body and your experience. In fact, it matters stuff-all if they're psychoactive. Just their very presence in your body is certainly going to have some affect. Paracetamol, for example, is definitely not a psychoactive chemical. But if you down a few pain killers you're going to feel different. There's obviously a huge amount of non-psychoactive chemicals that make you feel different. Basically, just because something is not psychoactive does  not mean that it has no affect on you. So assuming that's true, the trip would almost certainly be different, wouldn't it? The psilocin makes you trip and the other stuff adds the "flavour" of the strain.

On the other side of the coin, people are obviously reporting a different experience with different strains. That's rather contradictory to say the least. One person has claimed to have a very visual/colourful trip with Cambodians, while another writes them off as "mostly mindfuck". Everyone knows how important "set and setting" are when tripping. Maybe it's possible that a persons expectations as eating a certain strain go more into making the trip than any difference present in that actual strain. They expect and believe their experience will be similair to their first experience with that particular strain, so - presto! - it is.

Well, obvioulsy they're two contradictory arguments, so nothing has been solved. But it's something to think about. I'd be interested on hearing what some experienced psychonauts think about this.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1444390 - 04/09/03 09:57 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

its bullshit...it depends on YOU..not the muhroom

some people are saying cambos were good colorfull visuals

a few posts later someone said cambos were a mindfuck with no visuals



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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1444616 - 04/09/03 10:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Not going to describe, as I think it is futile....
Personally my Dawg and his pack have noticed a large difference between Plantasia and EQ. Just our thoughts :smile: 


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    #1444734 - 04/09/03 11:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

When I said mostly mind fuck with the cambo's it was mostly and thier where visuals but not like with GT's. And the two cambo's could be differnt because of the source from where it originated. If a wild cambo was picked now I bet money it would be different than the one's picked in the wild ten years ago. Darwins theory of evalution. But I truely believe that if you take one print and make 4 syringes then make say ten different casings all with out the same conditions I bet the trip will be simular, maybe not the potency but the trip itself will be the same. I have tried this and can say that this much is true and that differnt strains made differnt trips. GT's give me the shits and cambos dont. Unless you have experimented with this subject I dont know how you can make these asumptions. I have expeirimented with this because I once did believe that a cube is a cube but it is BULLSHIT I know from expiernce.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: liftedoff420]
    #1444860 - 04/10/03 12:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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its bullshit...it depends on YOU..not the muhroom

some people are saying cambos were good colorfull visuals

a few posts later someone said cambos were a mindfuck with no visuals

 



not bullshit you only have it half right it depends on You and the Mushroom
and btw i hear there are two distintivly different strains of camboidians going around :cool:


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
    #1445022 - 04/10/03 12:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The strain of cambos from homestead book comp sucks they are not even close to as good as those from other vendors like TLG from what I hear. Thank you Mr.Castanza


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: fee]
    #1445091 - 04/10/03 01:08 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

kramer got his from Ryche


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Diploid]
    #1445505 - 04/10/03 03:07 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Psilocybin is rapidly converted to psilocin once you eat a mushroom and psilocin is the same substance no matter what species it comes from. If the molecule is identical in all cases, how can one mushroom give a different trip than another?



There are about twenty isolated alkaloids that are reflections of the original Tryptophan precursors in psilocybe mushrooms. That is not counting the enzymes within the mushrooms that cause the bluing effect and the oxidisation of these active alkaloids. Many of these are very similar to psilocybin and psilocin - such as baeocystis and nor-baeocystis althought these two are actually misnomers and not really seperate alkaloids in the way that a Biochemist would explain it.

There are studies by Stivje and De Meijer, Bigwood and Beug and Gartz that indicate that the levels of psilocybin and psilocin as well as related alkaloids vary considerably not only between spore races but also between flushes.

Gartz found in a specimen of Panaeolus Cyanescens .7% Psilocybin, .04% psilocin, .01% baeocystis, 0.03% unconverted L-tryptophan, .06% 5-OH-tryptophan and 0.02% serotonin. And these were the only alkaloids he was testing for.


Now lets talk about the Cambodian for a minute.
There are 3 different strains of Cambodians running around the OMC labeled as Cambodian.
mjshroomer (John Allen) brought back 3 different strains of Cubensis from Cambodian found in different areas of Cambodia...and they were all given out as the Cambodian.
I know this cause I am friends with him...he told me so.

I have 2 of the Cambodian strains...they differ greatly in size and color of the mushroom.
One of the Cambodian strains has a very visual and colorful trip.
The other one is sort of a mind fuck...you trip on how dirty things around you are...and it can be almost depressing.
The 3rd Cambodian strain might be the Keepers Creeper...that has been isolated.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
    #1445519 - 04/10/03 03:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

So you are certain that different strains give different trips?


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    #1445535 - 04/10/03 03:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I know so


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
    #1445575 - 04/10/03 03:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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you trip on how dirty things around you are...and it can be almost depressing.
The 3rd Cambodian strain might be the Keepers Creeper...that has been isolated.
 




I hate that feeling  :frown:

So, out of Pesa, Creeper, Cambodian (not sure which strain), and Koh Samui, which should give a more visual, happy trip? 


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1445615 - 04/10/03 04:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The smaller Cambodian does...great visuals and colors.

The KS T-3 is pretty good too.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1445620 - 04/10/03 04:23 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

kramer has only tried cambo and pesa and the cambo was more visual and a lot lighter on the mind fuck side now mexi-cub ikho is like a hit of that super clean white blotter that used to follow the dead...


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
    #1445623 - 04/10/03 04:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

you need to try some Cyans...they are real clean feeling.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
    #1445635 - 04/10/03 04:35 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

ya kramer is trying to get out to the country so he could expand his research a little
btw how long from inoculation to fruits on the pans


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
    #1445654 - 04/10/03 04:47 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry bro...you mis-understood me.

Not Pan Cyans...I was talking about Psilocybe Cyanescens.
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
    #1445940 - 04/10/03 10:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Roadkill thanks you totaly proved my point. Cause one of my friends had some cambos from one source and said that they where a mind fuck and I did them too and had the same affect. Now my friend has some cambo's that came from TLG and only one person so far has tried them but he said they had great visuals unlike the ones Homestead IMHO thier company sucks and thier bunk ass cambo's.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: fee]
    #1447928 - 04/10/03 09:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I agree as always with Roadkill.
Immaculate's comment that there are no variations in alkaloid content between strains is factually incorrect and as Roady has posted - studies by Stivje and Demeijer in 1993 demonstrate up to .15% variations- which is significant. Importantly these studies only demonstrate the variation in two alkaloids and there are many more present.
I agree with Roadkills observations that, as these many alkaloids are all representations of biological conversions of the same tryptophan precursors, that their affect on bioassay must be plausible.
But the major emphasis of my arguement that there are differences not only in potency but characteristics not only of different species, but even spore-races is from experience and the mushrooms have demonstrated this to be true.
Anyone who says otherwise should grow six strains of cubensis then gat back to us.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
    #1448202 - 04/10/03 11:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Well what i think is its all about the setting and the mindset......for example i took a hit of acid and chilled with a freind had a blast and tripped my nuts off ......took a hit bymyself same shit same 10 strip...and didnt trip nearly as hard....when it come to tripping the slightest difference in surroundings makes a big difference in the way your gonna feel...or like who your with if you guys get what i mean...and i think every trip is differnt.....try tripping by yourself same dose...same shit and take notice of the difference


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: deathinchaos]
    #1448233 - 04/10/03 11:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

damn i kinda feel like a jag now.....i hadnt finished reading all the replys.........i still think that the setting would make some sort of an impact on the way you trip....i respect what roadkill has to say...and i ve only shromed a hanful of times and i wouldnt know what strain they were because i bought them from dealers.....so this is a question directed toward roadill or for that matter anybody else who has tried the amazonians....how was the trip.....i got them from sporeworks


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: deathinchaos]
    #1448240 - 04/10/03 11:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sure, setting is knonw to be a major influence.

I wonder if you didn't trip so hard the second time because you were just more tolerent after the first hit?


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1448300 - 04/11/03 12:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

hey deathinchaos, i got GT's from sporeworks too. not only have i had both mind fuck trips off of them (dif batches, flushes, etc) but i have had completely visual trips off em too. but i have to agree with the smart guy who said that GT's seem to be pretty good for all around effect's, and the smart guy who said that its the setting and mindset. if u mix both opinions together a little, it all makes sense...


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: jakeholman]
    #1448614 - 04/11/03 02:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i would think that to get to the bottom of this you would have to do some experiments. for example,  take about 8 people (non growers, ignorant people) and divide them into 2 groups.  The people would all need to have simmilar tollerances, yet somewhat experinced trippers.

Give Group A Strain X.
Give Group B Strain Y

All people would be given the same dosage. you would not tell any of them anything. Then question them individualy afterward. Record thier findings. Then say, 1 month later, you would have them trip again. with VERY simmilar enviornment.  Yet prior to eating you would take each individual aside and tell them something like this
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A1: This is the same stuff (give them the same as last, same batch)
A2: This is the same stuff (give them Strain Y this time)
A3: This is the super bombay visual stuff (give them the same as last, same batch)
A4: This is the super bombay visual stuff (give them Strain Y this time)
along with the same  for Group B

then you would record thier findings, and compare your results.

This would help to prove/disprove if thier trip was mentaly influenced, or if the strain actualy changed the course of the trip. Although this would be tough since each user would have a whole month of new experinces that they had collected.

although personaly i do belive that different strains promote different trips, as a grower, i was able to see the mushrooms develop, Thier source, origin, and growth characteristics that may have alterd my menal ablility to judge them as a strain. The only true way would be with the guinnie pigs (damn, i'd love to be in that experiment :laugh: )


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Phychotron]
    #1448633 - 04/11/03 02:53 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

there is definetely no better way to go than that way psychotron!!!!!


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: jakeholman]
    #1448635 - 04/11/03 02:53 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

so who is going to do it???


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: jakeholman]
    #1448719 - 04/11/03 03:46 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

heh... the Electric Kool Aid Shroom Tests?


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Phychotron]
    #1448813 - 04/11/03 05:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Phychotron,

This is has been done.
I have been testing people with different strains of Cubensis for over a year now.

I use test subjects (people I know) to test strains out....I use 4 to 6 people.
They all pretty much give me the same trip report...all are given 3.5 dry grams of the strain I am testing at the time.
I listen to what they have to say they were feeling and experiencing....and compare it to what I felt...and never lead them on to what I was feeling.
They are told which mushroom they are taking...and they are not told what I think the trip will be like....or what the others thought the trip was like.

I tested 8 people with the smaller Cambodian strain.
One test subject had a very bad trip...and it was due to getting into a fight with his X wife several hours before tripping...he should have never tripped that night...if your in bad space...you just might have a really bad time.
The rest all had a great trip...and the same exact visuals and such.
Very colorful and visual and a little bit speedy feeling. :smile:

I had 5 people try the Allen strain.
They all had the exact same trip.
I won't share what they felt...find out for yourself.  :smirk:

I have 4 people trying out the Burma strain right now.
I'm waiting on hearing the test results from these people.
I can't try this strain out myself at this time...cause as some of you know I had a mild heart attack a few weeks ago and I won't be able to trip for quite awhile. :frown:
I always trip and compare my trips to my test subjects...not this time.
But my best friend has been tripping with me since 1974...and I trust his judgement totally. :smile:


Bluemeanie,

I have alot of respect for you too.
You have brought this up for along time...and we pretty much see eye to eye on the potency issues.
I also agree that what substrate is used...will increase or decrease the potency of the mushroom that you are growing.
And I also agree about people testing several strains out and seeing for themselves the differences between different strains of Cubensis.


I have always said grow out the Cambodian and the Gulf Coast and compare them to each other...there is a big difference between these 2 strains!!!!
You must wait at least a week to 2 weeks inbetween trips.
And take the same amount of mushrooms... 3.5 dry grams is a good number for testing.
Write down your findings on paper to compare the experiences.
If you had a bad trip....try them again in a few weeks and see if you have a better one...mind set does play a part in trippin....but not in potency and visuals...etc.

Then grow out the Puerto Rican and the Acadian Coast and compare those to each other.

Then grow out the South American and the Keepers Creeper and compare those to each other.

continue til you have tried all the strains several times.
   


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
    #1449002 - 04/11/03 09:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly Roadkill. That is really cool that you have done extensive testing. I have done testing on GT's, PR's, Cambo's, B+, and Orissa. And I have found great differences in all of them. And I also gave some (of each strain) to other peopls with no info on the shroom other than its a cubensis. And the outcome was that in 90% of the cases each strain had the same charactoristics. Thus each strain has its own personallity.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: fee]
    #1449795 - 04/11/03 02:57 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

well, it's good to know that you've done this sort of testing. I have never had the supply to do much testing. Thier is however an instance that i remember where on new years, i was at my gf's house, i ate 4g, and this one chick ate 1.7g of pesa. i had a fuckin awesome trip, plenty of visuals, a nice clean trip. Meanwhile, back at my house, my brother and cousin had 4g, and my mom had 2g. they all reported not much visuals, but all had a good time laughing thier asses off. Now, all the mushrooms were from the same batch, and all our tollerances are simmilar. We had all gone about a month and a half since our last trip (except my mom).

I spent my time on the couch 'spacin out' while my gf/nieghbor got drunk. the other chick is legaly crazy, so i cant really trust what she says. her mind got to her on that trip. but someone threw on a tape of monty python and it was pretty funny.

my family spent the evning watching some 'the year in comedy' or something on tv. woulnt have been my choice, but they did it.

I belive that it was the TV that was helping prevent the visuals. I noticed that i dont usualy get many (if any) when i'm looking at a tv screen. Although i have got visuals looking at the computer moniter.

on a different note, the most visualy intence experince was at the 2002 gathering in michigan. I had 3.5g mix of TC and Pes Hawaiian. Let me tell ya, INTENCE VISUALS. the fern's had purple pulsating down them, and my girlfriend had what appeard to be lines and words painted on her face, such as "peace" and "love" and other stuff. Also, i kept seeing sign's (in my head) that would say crazy words. I said them outloud and my gf was like "what are you talking about" and i was like "i'm just reading the sign".


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Phychotron]
    #1449908 - 04/11/03 03:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

the other chick is legaly crazy, so i cant really trust what she says. her mind got to her on that trip


Yeah,I don't think giving mentally unstable people hallucinogens is such a good idea,but then again I used to make ramps to jump over fires on my bike when I was a kid so what the fuck do I know?


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1450168 - 04/11/03 04:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

3.5 grams (1/8th) of cambos obtained from The Spore Trading Post when he was still selling spores actually almost killed me.

They were grown on WBS/dung. My buddy lives in a town that is surrounded by dairy cattle ranches and has been culting for years. He only does WBS/dung now.

The highlights of the trip were being unable to drive after only 45 minutes due to intense visuals, puking my guts out after maybe 2.5 hours, wetting myself (dude, my buddy did too after he ran back to his apartment - it was almost orgasmic), and then laying on the floor, paralized while I imagined I could feel my heart slow down and eventually stop.

Well, I wasn't paralized but my body wasn't obeying me any longer. I would try to stand up but I'd yell out something instead. I'd try to sit up just enough to turn on the lights but my face would just twitch or I'd forget which way was up/down.

When my heart stopped (real or imagined, I really don't know) I passed out. I woke up maybe two hours later and was quite pleased I was alive. I was also capable of controlling my body again, and changed clothes. Not ten minutes after I cleaned up and started enjoying myself my buddy knocks on my door. The exact same thing happened to him, except he just passed out without feeling his heart stop.

I never imagined a fricken' 1/8th could devastate me like that.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1450209 - 04/11/03 05:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

nice trip. do you know the guy who runs the STP?


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: shirley knott]
    #1450968 - 04/11/03 10:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

the chick was all beggin me for em, they were for my gf, but she doesnt like to trip anymore. She used to trip alot about 4-5 years ago. Now she plans on having a bad trip... Just totaly expects it. Doesn't think like "yes, this is gonna be the jam" it's so gay cause i'd like to trip with her more often than just the one time at the gathering.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: shirley knott]
    #1452225 - 04/12/03 01:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

nice trip. do you know the guy who runs the STP?




Nope, but he goes by "the keeper."


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Uber]
    #1452397 - 04/12/03 02:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

2 words

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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: cupid]
    #1459714 - 04/15/03 10:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

One of those two words is spelt incorrectly ;(
I think STP is that place that is an awesome rip-off if im correct.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1498918 - 04/27/03 10:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm totally convinced that different strains have distinctively different trips. My first trip was on an unknown strain and it was so emotional. I had the ability to turn on and off any emotion with complete control. I fell in love and had my heart broken hundreds of times over the course of 2 hours. My friends even witnessed it. I could be bawling like a baby and then turn it off within seconds. Everybody else had similar emotional rollercoasters of a trip, but less intense. Never had another experience like it; been trying to reproduce it ever since. Any ideas on strain?

I've also had a lot of a particular variety that grows on the southwest Florida Pastures around here. They're very much a mindfuck, but really pleasant and smooth. No real visuals, but the colors and atmosphere are brighter than others I've done.

Also done ecuadors a few times. Much like what other people have said. Intense mindfuck, but with some decent drunken visuals too. Not as smooth as the Floridans though; everyone seems to always get a little knotted up and confused at times with these. Still a great trip though

Then there are these ones that some friends keep bringing down from Tennesse. We call them the "death" mushrooms. For some reason everyone always has these experiences where they meet death on them.

So what are other people's opinions? There's all this talk about testing, so lets see some results posted! I'm really interested in what strains to try next. Has anyone had any experience with Tasmanians? I may come across some of them soon.



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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Demiurge]
    #1641090 - 06/18/03 01:09 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Tassies are great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1641191 - 06/18/03 01:56 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Uh, yeah, folks. Drinking and driving == bad. Shrooming and driving == Darwin Candidate in the Running.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: fee]
    #1646822 - 06/20/03 02:23 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yeah there is

PESA - mushrooms it does produce are just extremely potent

Koh Samui - Its potency is above average for a cubensis

Cambodia - John Allen said he found it to be very potent for a cubensis as well

Gulf Coast - Its not very potent

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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Psilocybin_monkey]
    #1647591 - 06/20/03 09:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks, but like I said, I'm talking about the 'flavour' of the trip, not the potency...  :wink:


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
    #1647788 - 06/20/03 12:07 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

For those that have done testing on PR's...care to share your findings on them? My first trip will be on these.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: MOTH]
    #1647973 - 06/20/03 01:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

your trip has alot to do with your mood set before you dose and your genaral health at the time.thou i do beleive some strains have better visual trip and body highs,even emotional ones.

try the malabars man there a good visual.


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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
    #10678101 - 07/14/09 11:21 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

now i know this is years late..but do you know which one ralphster has? the visual or mind fuck?if you even know.thanks a ton, i highly respect your adivce and knowledge


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