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MacMerdin's Simple Pan-Cakes 52
#18357343 - 06/02/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been successful with the following species: Panaeolus bisporus, Panaeolus cambodginiensis, Panaeolus cyanescens, Panaeolus tropicalis and Panaeolus sect. Verricuspora using the methods below.
Panaeolus bisporus (*)
 
Panaeolus cambodginiensis

Panaeolus cyanescens
 
Panaeolus tropicalis
 
Panaeolus sect. Verricuspora (*)
  
I have used both half pint jars and Ziploc half pint plastic bowls.

Both have worked but the Ziploc bowls have more surface area to fruit. One thing about the plastic bowls though. The color of the lids makes it hard to see the holes that you made. How I combat this is to add colored tape (electrical black tape works well) and then poke the holes through the tape.

Mac's Modified PF Recipe:
1 full bowl (= 1 cup) of dry vermiculite 1 full bowl (= 1 cup) of store bought manure/humus mix (I bought the Scott's brand) 1 full bowl (= 1 cup) of water 1 full bowl (= 1 cup) of ground brown rice flour (* for the grass loving species I substitute chopped grass seed for the brown rice) 1/2 bowl (= 1/2 cup) of worm castings 1 Tablespoon used Duncan Donuts coffee 1 teaspoon gypsum
* Makes 5 cakes with enough room for a dry verm layer
Top them off with a dry vermiculite layer as usual.
Here are photos of a colonizing Ziploc.
Day 9 after inoculation (it usually takes around 7 days to start seeing good growth for Pans IME):

2 weeks (14 days) after inoculation.
3 to 4 weeks (21-28 days) after inoculation.
As you notice, I keep the foil on the lids for an extra protection sometimes (not needed). I poke air holes (after inoculation and when growth is seen) in the foil that are offset from the inoculation holes in the lids. Plus there is a dry vermiculite layer so it's probably overkill but it works.
Once colonized...wait three days to a week consolidation time and then comes the fun part.
Take the top off the jar/Ziploc and scrape the dry vermiculite layer out. Don't worry if some myc has grown up into it. It will recover pretty quickly. Just get out what comes out without hurting it too much.
Then, case the cake with 50/50 + pasteurized mix at a thickness of just enough to cover the mycelium and try to even it out as best as you can. Don't worry too much about how even it is....it's not a big deal breaker.
Casing Recipe:
1 cup Vermiculite 1 cup Peat 1 cup boiling water 1/4 teaspoon Organic Hydrated Lime 1 teaspoon Gypsum
* Makes enough for 5 cakes with some left over....wait 24 hours to cool of course.
** Disclaimer: I am still tweeking this recipe and do not know how well it performs vs. other recipes. Please use at your own risk (also if anyone has a better recipe please let us know).
I then place them directly into the SGFC after casing. I have seen people wait 48 hours for recovery but I find it not needed.
Here is the MacMerdin twist: I bury the jars/Ziploc bowls up to the top in the perlite. I figured that since a SGFC works from fresh air coming up through the bottom, I would use this fresh air as my FAE source.
3-10 days after placing in the FC.

7-14 days after placing in the FC.

Times will obviously vary.
As for maintenance of the casing layer and misting/fanning:
Maintenance:
Since hearing advice from RR, I now mist the casing layer directly to keep it moist. Apply the casing layer at field capacity. After the casing has dried a bit, mist the casing until it starts to glisten a little and then don't moisten until you see that it has dried a bit more. Usually 1 time a day is sufficient.
Misting and Fanning:
I mist around the SGFC so that the mist gets blown around the chamber. Then I fan and mist the same way again.
Have fun and please feel free to ask questions or comment on how I can improve.
Edited by MacMerdin (04/25/18 02:43 PM)
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 2
#18357408 - 06/02/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very cool, never even seen this variety in person myself. I bet they dry up to almost nothing. Are they still 90% water weight, same as cubes?
I notice in the pictures you post that the majority of the shrooms are growing from the sides of the jars; this seems to indicate an improper microclimate at the tops of the cakes for pin formation. Maybe too much water on the casing layer? Have you heard of a bubble wrap tek for creating such a microclimate?
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Thadeous] 2
#18357447 - 06/02/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thadeous said: I bet they dry up to almost nothing. Are they still 90% water weight, same as cubes?
That is correct. But, they are potent and make up for it. 
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I notice in the pictures you post that the majority of the shrooms are growing from the sides of the jars; this seems to indicate an improper microclimate at the tops of the cakes for pin formation.
The first pins usually happen near the sides. Then they just constantly flush from all over. That photo was about 2 days after pinning began.
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Maybe too much water on the casing layer?
Could be. I'm still dialing them in and can always use improvement.
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Have you heard of a bubble wrap tek for creating such a microclimate?
Yeah, I have. I just haven't felt the need to do it yet. Maybe I'll try it some time.
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 4
#18357472 - 06/02/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very nice writeup.
Keep up the good work
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: veda_sticks] 4
#18357480 - 06/02/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very nice indeed I had seen those pic that you had posted in another thread and am planning to try something similar by burying small bulks sub containers in the perlite. Quite innovative.
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Pastywhyte] 2
#18357608 - 06/02/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you both and good luck.
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 2
#18357806 - 06/02/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are those ovoids fruiting in there with those pans?
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Stropharis] 4
#18357971 - 06/02/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wish.
They are just B+ cubes.
I'm actually giving cubes up after this batch.
More room for pans. Lol.
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 3
#18358076 - 06/02/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was like then I was all 
Nice write up none the less, keep em coming!
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Stropharis] 1
#18358329 - 06/02/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the closest I have got to fruiting ovoids indoors.
 
Unfortunately, it aborted. Not that this has stopped me from continuing the effort.
Edited by MacMerdin (06/02/13 01:11 PM)
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 1
#18382002 - 06/07/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have made some edits to the OP.
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 2
#18384781 - 06/07/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Very interesting, thanks for this!!
I have started with Pan Cyans this week and gathered fresh cow poo today from free roaming Highland cows or similar (aka good shit!) Not sure what made you add worm castings but it seems smart since it is said to be superior to typical fertilized soils. Can you elaborate on what the less usual ingredients you use provide in terms of nutrient value? I'm trying to piece together what each substrate ingredient I come across contributes.
Or is this recipe entirely dialed in based on trial and error, starting from other teks?
And cool idea burying those cakes! I might do that sometime, especially since I have extra air pumped into a tube laying on the bottom of my GC.
You mentioned waiting until colonisation, but may I ask (if this is not too stupid of a question) how did you spawn or inoc exactly?
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Solipsis] 2
#18384890 - 06/07/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is cool, I have only done cubes myself but would love to give pans a try. This seems like a very simple procedure. Obviously you used a syringe to innoc, but was it self made from a print or a LC/glc?
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Solipsis] 2
#18385139 - 06/07/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Solipsis said: Not sure what made you add worm castings
I added it because of the store bought poo/hummus mix.
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Can you elaborate on what the less usual ingredients you use provide in terms of nutrient value?
I'm not really sure but the posts I have read regaurding the recipe adds gypsum and spent coffee. Some added the worm castings.
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I'm trying to piece together what each substrate ingredient I come across contributes.
I wouldn't worry so much about what each one contributes, but knowing that the recipe works. 
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Or is this recipe entirely dialed in based on trial and error, starting from other teks?
This recipe is something that others before me have dialed in....I can take no credit for it.
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And cool idea burying those cakes! I might do that sometime, especially since I have extra air pumped into a tube laying on the bottom of my GC.
Could never hurt. They like fresh air as long as it's humid air.
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You mentioned waiting until colonisation, but may I ask (if this is not too stupid of a question) how did you spawn or inoc exactly?
I used a regular syringe just like a pf cube grow.
Edited by MacMerdin (06/07/13 08:47 PM)
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: zpores] 2
#18385147 - 06/07/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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zpores said: Obviously you used a syringe to innoc,
Yes. 
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but was it self made from a print or a LC/glc?
Self made from a print I recieved in a trade. Now I have my own.
Edited by MacMerdin (06/07/13 08:49 PM)
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 1
#18385300 - 06/07/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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ORLY? I thought poo lovers needed to be spawned with non-poo-sub, I must be thinking of wood lovers, esp. outside ones?
Thnx for the info!
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Solipsis] 1
#18385356 - 06/07/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice fruits man, and cool approach with burying those trays! I am in the process of pasteurizing my casing layer for some thai cy's for the first time. I will have to try this with a tray.
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: Solipsis] 2
#18385389 - 06/07/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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Solipsis said: ORLY? I thought poo lovers needed to be spawned with non-poo-sub, I must be thinking of wood lovers, esp. outside ones?
Thnx for the info!
You can shoot the spores directly into a poo substrate. The fresher the poo (has to be field cured I believe), the less you have to add the extras. I add the extras because I use a store bought poo/humus mix.
Woodlovers can also be started from spores with just a modified pf tek. Stay tuned for my modified pf tek for woodlovers with the MacMerdin twist. 
Here are Ps. ovoids, Ps. allenii and Ps. cyanescens:
 
Edited by MacMerdin (09/12/13 05:16 AM)
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: vanislandshroomer] 1
#18385412 - 06/07/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice fruits man, and cool approach with burying those trays! I am in the process of pasteurizing my casing layer for some thai cy's for the first time. I will have to try this with a tray. 
I do it when I am soaking the perlite (which I resoak every week). The perlite becomes almost like quicksand. So watch that you don't lose them.
Edited by MacMerdin (06/07/13 09:48 PM)
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Re: "Modified PF TEK for Pans with the MacMerdin Touch" [Re: MacMerdin] 1
#18385457 - 06/07/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is what I've noticed with my sgfc. I've read about other members not having to re-hydrate their perlite for a month or so at a time. This is not the case for me either
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