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How to find psilocybe caerulipes * 8
    #26154772 - 08/27/19 06:22 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)



There seems to be a bit of confusion about where this species grows and how to go about finding it. Up until this year I was looking in the wrong habitat, blindly picking every little brown mushroom I saw, and hoping it would turn blue.

This year I had some guidance from another member who has found them pretty regularly. He gave me the missing piece of info I needed, and I promptly found 200+ psilocybe caerulipes within 4 days!!

Now I'm going to tell you how I did it, so pay attention! Lol



So the biggest problem with finding blue foots is the fact that the books and all the current information on the species left out one critical piece of the puzzle. I'll explain:

I've been obsessed with this species for 25 years now, been looking in what the books say is the proper habitat...exclusive birch, maple, and beech. So naturally if I saw a mix of pine, hemlock or other conifers, I'd exclude this area from my search. BIG MISTAKE!!

Hemlock is the key to finding this species...you heard me right, hemlock!

So I was informed that caerulipes likes mixed woods, and I'm sitting in the middle of a hemlock dominated forest, so I figure shit, maybe they will be spread around the more deciduous areas of my woods, and thus began my journey to finding these little gems.

Now I'm going to get to the nuts and bolts of how to find these guys:



Hemlock turns out to be more key than I could have ever thought. Put it this way, I have yet to find one that isn't within spitting distance of several hemlocks! Generally I find them on random chunks of beech that have fallen into the hemlock dominated sections of forest.

Birch and maple are going to be present, I find them in birch, but yet to find them on maple. In fact maple doesn't seem to be a factor at all. Here's what you look for:

Hemlock dominant forest along medium creeks. Yup, that's the habitat! Bet you never heard of such a thing! Now, head up out of the flats along your creek and start up the slopes. The only thing you should be looking for is beech logs laying on the floor of your hemlock forest. Go look at each and every piece of rotten beech, check under, next to, and all around every little chunk. If you kneel down to look, your knee should be damp. They are always in damp areas of the forest. Seeps and washes are big producers. These little mushrooms are clever, they know how to keep moist year round.

It helps if there are an abundance of little brown mushrooms that superficially look like caerulipes. I know I'm about to find them if there are a ton of similar looking LBM's.

If you walk too far and get out of the hemlocks, better turn back!

I really hope this helps someone out. These mushrooms are not as rare as people think. All these photos are from 4 days of casual searching. Feel free to ask some questions. I'm sure I left something out.



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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Subfinder] * 1
    #26154806 - 08/27/19 07:12 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Now on to making sure you don't fuck up and eat the wrong one.

The first thing I'm looking for are the unique color and shape of these mushrooms. The color is something you will key in on...it's surprisingly orange, with a warm brown tone. I key in on the little white scales (veil remnants) that appear like little white spots. Reminds me of the fly agarics that grow here in the northeast.


The other key is the gills, very close and generally straight gills.


The shape is the other thing. It generally has a nipple, especially when fully mature.


Now to the sure fire check: They turn blue fucking fast! Usually from the time you grab hold and pull to when you get it to your eyes it has already started bruising blue. If you pick a mushroom, look at it, and it doesn't show obvious signs of bluing, toss it.

Next take a print. Should look purple brown color. They dont leave heavy prints, so the color may look light brown, but a heavy print looks very purple. In fact, it is identical colored as psilocybe galindoi/mexicana.



Do your homework and be careful. Little brown mushrooms can be deadly, so make sure you know what your taking home to eat.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Subfinder] * 1
    #26154823 - 08/27/19 07:40 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

This is a great guide, thank you. I’ve located a hemlock forest and it just poured last night for about 6ish hours after having been very dry for about a week and a half, looks like we’re set for another good soak today. If I only had one day to devote to hunting, would you say tomorrow, Thursday or Friday would be the best day to look?


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: doctorghosty] * 1
    #26154827 - 08/27/19 07:48 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Great info man.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: doctorghosty] * 1
    #26154946 - 08/27/19 09:07 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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This is a great guide, thank you. I’ve located a hemlock forest and it just poured last night for about 6ish hours after having been very dry for about a week and a half, looks like we’re set for another good soak today. If I only had one day to devote to hunting, would you say tomorrow, Thursday or Friday would be the best day to look?



It has been an extremely wet year here in Warren county Pennsylvania, so it seems the ground moisture itself is what keeps these guys fruiting. I'd figure once you find a wet area, you'll be in luck. It may help if it rains a couple days prior.

Here they were up from 2 days after rain, to 5 or 6 days till it rained again. Raining right now again.

I think if you find a good spot, it won't matter if it rained or not. They seek out permanently wet spots.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Subfinder] * 1
    #26154970 - 08/27/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #26154995 - 08/27/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Brilliant. Thanks for sharing.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Stosch] * 1
    #26155198 - 08/27/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice guide, thank you!

Just a quick question so that I don't spend days in the wrong habitat and regret my week. Last time I looked along a decently mixed forest near a creek, but I think the issue was that there were just a few hemlocks and MOSTLY hardwoods, beeches maples maybe some oaks....

But what you're saying is go to a hemlock-dominated forest with just a FEW hardwoods mixed in, and then look near those hardwoods? Is that about right?


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Subfinder] * 1
    #26155210 - 08/27/19 12:12 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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This is a great guide, thank you. I’ve located a hemlock forest and it just poured last night for about 6ish hours after having been very dry for about a week and a half, looks like we’re set for another good soak today. If I only had one day to devote to hunting, would you say tomorrow, Thursday or Friday would be the best day to look?



It has been an extremely wet year here in Warren county Pennsylvania, so it seems the ground moisture itself is what keeps these guys fruiting. I'd figure once you find a wet area, you'll be in luck. It may help if it rains a couple days prior.

Here they were up from 2 days after rain, to 5 or 6 days till it rained again. Raining right now again.

I think if you find a good spot, it won't matter if it rained or not. They seek out permanently wet spots.




Cool, thanks for the info, it would be my in-state Psilocybe #4 for the year, fingers crossed.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: doctorghosty] * 1
    #26155505 - 08/27/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

5 stars my man, a tremendous help. I feel like you've discovered the missing link. I'm literally surrounded by Hemlocks, just gotta find some Beech trees. Your effort is much appreciated.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: ghost37] * 2
    #26155827 - 08/27/19 05:54 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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5 stars my man, a tremendous help. I feel like you've discovered the missing link. I'm literally surrounded by Hemlocks, just gotta find some Beech trees. Your effort is much appreciated.



That's great man! That was my intentions writing this up. If I can help even a couple people find these I'll feel my efforts are worth while.

If anyone finds any using this guide, please post photos in this thread. Also hit up the 2019 caerulipes thread. Thanks!


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Moria841] * 1
    #26156480 - 08/28/19 04:35 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Very nice guide, thank you!

Just a quick question so that I don't spend days in the wrong habitat and regret my week. Last time I looked along a decently mixed forest near a creek, but I think the issue was that there were just a few hemlocks and MOSTLY hardwoods, beeches maples maybe some oaks....

But what you're saying is go to a hemlock-dominated forest with just a FEW hardwoods mixed in, and then look near those hardwoods? Is that about right?



Sorry Moria841, totally missed this post yesterday.

Yes, hemlock dominated forest. My woods are 80% hemlock with small "islands" of beech, maple, birch. A couple black cherries here and there, a stray white pine. The areas I find caerulipes is generally the open hemlock floor clear of vegetation. It seems that when a beech falls into the hemlocks, thats where the blue foots like it.

It's really more of a micro-habitat. The hemlock canopy makes a cool, shaded environment that they seem to like.

If your in a hemlock dominated forest with beech here and there, you're likely getting close.

Another thing I've learned is stay on the slopes. Bottom and top of hill are pretty sparse. About halfway up is perfect. There is a 100 yard swath of my hill all the way around that has clusters of blue foots...up or down the hill and I only find singles. Very top of hill is completely absent, same with bottom near creek.

I'm working on figuring out indicator species. Certain species of plants, animals, and fungi that may be directly or indirectly associated with caerulipes. I have some theories...like check out the range of the southern flying squirrel, almost exactly the same range as caerulipes. Flying squirrels eat fungus and are responsible for distribution of spores.

I plan to mount trail cams on clusters of blue foots to try and capture the squirrels eating them.

The area I'm finding the most clusters is just full of flying squirrels. I camp up there sometimes and the flying squirrels are shooting around the campsite all night long. Probably tripping too. Lol


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Subfinder] * 1
    #26156486 - 08/28/19 04:48 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Moria841 said:
Very nice guide, thank you!

Just a quick question so that I don't spend days in the wrong habitat and regret my week. Last time I looked along a decently mixed forest near a creek, but I think the issue was that there were just a few hemlocks and MOSTLY hardwoods, beeches maples maybe some oaks....

But what you're saying is go to a hemlock-dominated forest with just a FEW hardwoods mixed in, and then look near those hardwoods? Is that about right?



Sorry Moria841, totally missed this post yesterday.

Yes, hemlock dominated forest. My woods are 80% hemlock with small "islands" of beech, maple, birch. A couple black cherries here and there, a stray white pine. The areas I find caerulipes is generally the open hemlock floor clear of vegetation. It seems that when a beech falls into the hemlocks, thats where the blue foots like it.

It's really more of a micro-habitat. The hemlock canopy makes a cool, shaded environment that they seem to like.

If your in a hemlock dominated forest with beech here and there, you're likely getting close.

Another thing I've learned is stay on the slopes. Bottom and top of hill are pretty sparse. About halfway up is perfect. There is a 100 yard swath of my hill all the way around that has clusters of blue foots...up or down the hill and I only find singles. Very top of hill is completely absent, same with bottom near creek.

I'm working on figuring out indicator species. Certain species of plants, animals, and fungi that may be directly or indirectly associated with caerulipes. I have some theories...like check out the range of the southern flying squirrel, almost exactly the same range as caerulipes. Flying squirrels eat fungus and are responsible for distribution of spores.

I plan to mount trail cams on clusters of blue foots to try and capture the squirrels eating them.

The area I'm finding the most clusters is just full of flying squirrels. I camp up there sometimes and the flying squirrels are shooting around the campsite all night long. Probably tripping too. Lol




Thatd be awesome to trip with the flying squirrels


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: bloodycarcass] * 1
    #26156492 - 08/28/19 05:01 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Lol, it is! I've had some neat experiences with flying squirrels while tripping.

Last year I was up there tripping on cinctulus and I shinned my flashlight straight up in the air and a flying squirrel flew right through the beam of light. Was one of the coolest things I've ever seen! He was all spread out and going mach 7!! Lol

They are spastic little fuckers. Had one inches from my face on the trunk of a tree. He was all jittery and high strung...thought he was gonna jump on my face at one point. It's like they are going 100 miles per hour when they are sitting still!!


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Subfinder] * 1
    #26156717 - 08/28/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome man, thanks so much.

I have a few places in mind I think might be fruitful. With your extra information, I have a good feeling!


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Moria841] * 1
    #26156754 - 08/28/19 09:03 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

One of my problems has always been that I’m terrible at identifying trees in my forest. Like for example doesn’t the Hemlock sort of look like a pine?

I just need to get out more with some sort of guide?


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    #26156805 - 08/28/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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One of my problems has always been that I’m terrible at identifying trees in my forest. Like for example doesn’t the Hemlock sort of look like a pine?

I just need to get out more with some sort of guide?







Hemlock needles are actually edible. I hit up the local forestry info center hoping they might have detailed maps of specific trees, no luck there. Saw hundreds of Hemlocks but no Beech or Birch trees in an area I thought might be promising. I'm definitely in the range of Beech but they are scarce.


Sub, do you typically see Rhododendren in areas that produce?


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: ghost37] * 1
    #26156858 - 08/28/19 10:24 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

No, there are no rhododendren at the places I'm finding them. The areas that do have rhododendren seem to be void of caerulipes as I'm searching outside of my 350 acres. So far they have all been in the exact same habitat. Found some away from the property in the national forest. Same habitat.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #26156878 - 08/28/19 10:40 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Hemlock has short needles compared to most pinus, you will know when you see it, they don't grow in my area so no since looking,  but great guide,  thank you OP.


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Re: How to find psilocybe caerulipes [Re: Doc9151] * 2
    #26157158 - 08/28/19 01:21 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Hemlock leaves also seem to be more flat, as if the pines were rungs of a ladder, mounted side by side with the branch in the center.

Other fir/pine tree needles either stick out in all directions or on obtuse angles around the branch.

Hemlock also seems to have more headroom underneath than other fir/pine trees.


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