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    #13962685 - 02/14/11 06:03 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Nature Boy]
    #13963012 - 02/14/11 06:55 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

thanks NB

This could come in handy some day

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: hcrider]
    #13964123 - 02/14/11 09:19 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Don't you think it'd be harder to suck the water out the bottom. It seems it'd be way easier to just suck the naphtha off the top :shrug:

I'll have to test it out myself one day.


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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: OregonChronic]
    #13965852 - 02/15/11 04:17 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

Either way...but with an eyedropper taking off the deep water is SO easy.  After the vast majority of the clear portion comes out and is discarded, the "last" eyedropper full will have some YELLOW naphtha and some CLEAR water at a very visible level, with the water on the bottom.  Now just squeeze out the last few drops of water (drip, drip, drip) and return the naphtha fraction to the jar.

It is SOOOO easy!

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Nature Boy]
    #13969252 - 02/15/11 06:08 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

awesome tek, thanks nb!

I made some dmt a while back that ended up really red and tarry because the layers didn't separate very well, so I mixed that in a little water with a pinch of Na2CO3, added naphtha, which was then pulled of and frozen, procuding a nice off-white powdery product.

I'll try this method on my next freeze though, and report back.

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: PorcupinesRevenge]
    #13970083 - 02/15/11 08:26 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

Is it worth mentioning you can make your own Sodium carbonate by baking 'baking soda' at 350-400 F for an hour? Stir a few times...  Will loose mass, as the CO2 evolves off, so do more than you need... But cheap and easy...  I Store it in a air tight container ( keep moisture out)

Baking soda Not baking powder


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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: HarryL]
    #13970120 - 02/15/11 08:32 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

Yep...that will work.  :thumbup:

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Nature Boy]
    #13973439 - 02/16/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 17 days ago)

Stupid easy.  :wink:

Thanks N.B.


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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Livingood]
    #13981475 - 02/17/11 09:31 PM (13 years, 16 days ago)

So is this a viable substitute for the bestine wash? Will it cause any problems if I leave the crystals in the half pint until after the final pull so that they grow as much as possible? Does this only need to be done on the later pulls when purity becomes an issue? Also where can I find an eyedropper, will any pharmacy carry them?

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Wise Toad]
    #13983152 - 02/18/11 04:32 AM (13 years, 16 days ago)

No, a carbonate wash does not remove plant oils and such.  It merely helps assure there is no NaOH in and amongst the fluid you pipetted away and intend to freeze precipitate.

The heptane (bestine) re-crystallization removes substantially all the plant oils and other unwanted, undesirable MHRB components from the "final" product.

One is NOT a substitute for the other.

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Nature Boy]
    #13985082 - 02/18/11 02:32 PM (13 years, 15 days ago)

When I order my MHRB I will make sure to dedicate a 100gram batch to testing out the water wash and the rexstal on my pulls to see how clean I can get it

Thnx NB...if it wasn't for me searching through different grows about how people put DMT in their substrates, I woulda never found your STB thread in the related posts box.

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: OregonChronic]
    #14027307 - 02/25/11 08:00 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

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Thnx NB...if it wasn't for me searching through different grows about how people put DMT in their substrates, I woulda never found your STB thread in the related posts box.

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DMT in the substrate?

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Harri]
    #14027667 - 02/25/11 09:16 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: OregonChronic]
    #14027934 - 02/25/11 10:09 PM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Does it do anything? like has it been verified as something that works?

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Harri]
    #14029062 - 02/26/11 06:16 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Not exactly sure of your questions...but I'll take a stab at answering what I THINK you asked.

Does (a carbonate wash) do anything?  YES, IF there's some NaOH in with your naphtha (however unlikely if you follow directions) it'll reduce the contamination of the powerful base.  Sodium carbonate is a weak base  which IS necessary to keep the DMT from migrating into the water that you are going to discard.  This avoids reducing your yield.  So, no lost product, and any powerful base is driven into the water by its extreme solubility preference for water over naphtha.

Has the (benefit of a carbonate wash) been verified?  Its simple chemistry principles.  But if you're asking if anyone has gone out of their way to contaminate their product and then tested the efficacy of a carbonate wash, I'd have to answer thus:  "No one I know of!"

Hope I guessed right, and I hope this helps.

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14030356 - 02/26/11 12:56 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

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Nature Boy said:
Not exactly sure of your questions...but I'll take a stab at answering what I THINK you asked.

Does (a carbonate wash) do anything?  YES, IF there's some NaOH in with your naphtha (however unlikely if you follow directions) it'll reduce the contamination of the powerful base.  Sodium carbonate is a weak base  which IS necessary to keep the DMT from migrating into the water that you are going to discard.  This avoids reducing your yield.  So, no lost product, and any powerful base is driven into the water by its extreme solubility preference for water over naphtha.

Has the (benefit of a carbonate wash) been verified?  Its simple chemistry principles.  But if you're asking if anyone has gone out of their way to contaminate their product and then tested the efficacy of a carbonate wash, I'd have to answer thus:  "No one I know of!"

Hope I guessed right, and I hope this helps.

N.B.




Ha I understand how this works, was asking about dmt in the substrate, sorry off topic. Great tek btw love looking at the nice white fluffy shards of dmt :happyheart:

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Harri]
    #14046853 - 03/01/11 03:43 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

i noticed what looks like condensation on the inside of the jars after doing the wash is this normal. Should i be worried its sodium carbonate wash on the walls of the jar that will taint final product?

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: mord] * 1
    #14046915 - 03/01/11 04:30 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

There's only 5% sodium carbonate in the solution to begin with.  Even if you failed to get all the water out, the amount of sodium carbonate left behind would be trivial.

In any event, sodium carbonate is completely benign.  No worries.

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14046921 - 03/01/11 04:34 AM (13 years, 5 days ago)

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There's only 5% sodium carbonate in the solution to begin with.  Even if you failed to get all the water out, the amount of sodium carbonate left behind would be trivial.

In any event, sodium carbonate is completely benign.  No worries.

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Re: Carbonate wash [Re: mord]
    #14048177 - 03/01/11 12:09 PM (13 years, 4 days ago)

Im gonna have to try this when i order my bark. Thnx for posting the tek NB...i needed ratios because before i would just add scoopfuls of sodium carbonate to some water and mix with the naphtha and call it good :lol:


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