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Ginseng1
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Re: Maybe we did come from heaven! [Re: Icelander]
#10007344 - 03/20/09 11:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: How can you say this mechanism is "surely" at play. That's ludicrous. Curiosity is a survival mechanism common to many animals.
That is what I happen to believe actually. I only used the word 'surely' because I thought we conceded that anything but evolution itself is non-definitive. Surely is not a definite word. But then why then would we go back 10 posts from now and start this all over again?
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What you "like to believe" may bear no resemblance to what is going on.
Yes, we all know that by now. No need to keep hammering away at that. That last bit was just a little bit of me. You know, we all need a little bit of us around here sometimes. Maybe I should have wrote "IMO", since an opinion is somehow much more reputable than a belief.
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Re: Maybe we did come from heaven! [Re: Ginseng1]
#10007358 - 03/20/09 11:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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My point about evolution is that it has no 'goal' per se. It's just something that happens in the world, like rainfall. Rainfall is good (for us) because it allows for life to exist inland, but it doesn't happen because lifeforms need it - it just happens and life exists inland as a side effect. Same thing with adaptation/evolution. Evolution doesn't happen because life forms need to adapt to their environment - it just happens and adaptation happens as a side effect.
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According to astronomers, black holes step outside of OUR physical laws and that includes our nothing of time
How so?
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According to the big bang theory, there was an infinitesimally small point that was almost infinitely dense, and then it exploded and has evolved into he universe we know today. So according to what we know, there was never nothing.
Noted. So let's take this back to where it started. Is energy infinite in existance? Well, if time only existed as far back as the Big Bang, could we say it's existance is infinite? Because time has a beginning. Shouldn't energy also have a beginning then?
-------------------- No knowledge can be certain, if it is not based upon mathematics or upon some other knowledge which is itself based upon the mathematical sciences. -Leonardo da Vinci (1425-1519) Speak well of your enemies. After all, you made them.
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Ginseng1
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Re: Maybe we did come from heaven! [Re: pothead_bob]
#10008583 - 03/20/09 03:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ahh.. what good training session that was. It's important to be physically active to keep a certain balance!
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pothead_bob said: How so?
Because it defies all our known scientific principles, such as time. It doesn't fit into the laws of our universe. That is why theorists have developed fields such as string field theory, to fit all of the absurdity into one model. String field theory asserts many wacky things. That is why some astronomers believe that black holes exist outside of our universe, though what we see is the 'doorway' to another place, another universe, or something within that family.
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Is energy infinite in existance? Well, if time only existed as far back as the Big Bang, could we say it's existance is infinite? Because time has a beginning. Shouldn't energy also have a beginning then?
Well that's thing the right there. " Shouldn't energy also have a beginning?" Not necessarily, because we know that there exist principles beyond our scientific understanding, that include the infinite (aka lack of time). IMO it makes sense to conclude that energy creates the illusion of time, through movement and its different phases and sates. A star may not be infinite, but some theorists think it's fundamental constituents are (the strings). The illusion of time is perhaps also in a constant cycle of 'beginning to end' but it's nature is infinite.
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Re: Maybe we did come from heaven! [Re: Ginseng1]
#10008679 - 03/20/09 03:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because it defies all our known scientific principles, such as time. It doesn't fit into the laws of our universe. That is why theorists have developed fields such as string field theory, to fit all of the absurdity into one model.
I was actually looking for more specific things it doesn't agree with. Could it be that our understanding of the universe just wasn't complete before? And not that black holes are violating any laws? Look at Newtonian physics for example. That field of study was first discovered and seemed to describe the macro world we encounter pretty well, but then it failed to describe new discoveries in electrodynamics... enter the theory of special relativity. It's not that classical mechanics are wrong, they just study one piece of the puzzle and aren't applicable everywhere.
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Re: Maybe we did come from heaven! [Re: pothead_bob]
#10012457 - 03/21/09 07:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What a conundrum!
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