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A question for any Buddhists out there.
    #9984311 - 03/16/09 07:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

As I understand it, a major part of Buddhism has to do with shedding oneself of desire.  I'm sure this is something a lot of Buddhists work towards and, if they're working towards it, they seem to desire that outcome.  So I guess what I'm asking is what does it mean from a Buddhist perspective to desire to rid onself of desire?


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: SvampViking]
    #9984326 - 03/16/09 07:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Material desire.


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: The_Ghost]
    #9984378 - 03/16/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Giving up ALL desire is a little extreme, and that isn't what Buddhism is about. Just give up as much desire as you can. :shrug:


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: The_Ghost]
    #9984382 - 03/16/09 07:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, that makes sense.  So what's the distinction between material desire and I guess spiritual desire?  Is it only material desire that leads to suffering?


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: The_Ghost]
    #9984389 - 03/16/09 07:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

oh snap


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: suburbanned]
    #9984414 - 03/16/09 07:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Spiritual desire is the heart of the Buddhist mantras. Only pure desire to achieve enlightenment can give one nirvana, and thus ending the samsara cycle.

Physical desire only leads to suffering.


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: Wapakz]
    #9984431 - 03/16/09 07:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So let me see if I have this right.  Spiritual desire leads to Nirvana, after which one no longer suffers, which is why only material desire causes suffering?


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    #9984447 - 03/16/09 07:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: SvampViking]
    #9984456 - 03/16/09 07:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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SvampViking said:
So let me see if I have this right.  Spiritual desire leads to Nirvana, after which one no longer suffers, which is why only material desire causes suffering?




Yes, because material desire detracts from spiritual development.


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: SvampViking]
    #9984478 - 03/16/09 07:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Nirvana is enlightenment, which is the end of suffering. Nirvana also stops samsara.

Every physical aspect of our lives is material, even our own bodies. By being attached to material possessions we are unable to attain nirvana.

There are our physical selves, then our mental/spiritual selves. In order to fully evolve our spiritual selves we need to discard our physical limitations (expectations, desires, and other causes of suffering).

In the same way, people that spend their lives focusing on material possessions and money have more evolved physical selves, but are considerably empty inside. Most people in this way are unable to attain mental and physical balance.


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: SvampViking]
    #9984509 - 03/16/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i think the focus is more on ridding oneself of attachment rather than desire, and realizing the nature of impermanence. one can wish to live a spiritual life and strive for enlightenment without being attached to those concepts


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: Hendostan]
    #9984529 - 03/16/09 07:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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i think the focus is more on ridding oneself of attachment rather than desire, and realizing the nature of impermanence. one can wish to live a spiritual life and strive for enlightenment without being attached to those concepts




Yes, but desire (in the physical sense) leads to attachment.


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: Hendostan]
    #9984542 - 03/16/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

would it be accurate to say Buddhism focuses on the elimination of inordinate desire in the plato sense?


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: gotcha420haha]
    #9984545 - 03/16/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Buddhism is interesting, it strikes me as much less offensive to the self than most competing ideologies.


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: Wapakz]
    #9984571 - 03/16/09 07:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

not necessarily, desire can be fleeting, and one can recognize its arising and cessation without becoming attached. attachment leads to an unrealistic view of the universe, and yes desire can certainly be a part of that. you sound like a mahayana buddhist


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Re: A question for any Buddhists out there. [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9984584 - 03/16/09 07:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That certainly helped to clarify things.  Thanks a lot everyone.


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